Re: Zope 3 Newbie Feedback
Martin Aspeli <[email protected]>
| Newsgroups | gmane.comp.web.zope.devel |
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Hi, So how to make Blue Bream easier to use? I propose making the initial > start up interface a simple content management system, kind of a Plone > light. This seems like a bad idea. Blue Bream attempts to be a development framework, not a content management system. You are suggesting we make an apple look like an orange, but still taste like an apple. Perhaps someone will build a CMS on top of Blue Bream, and perhaps this will make BB easier for people to learn, but that would need to be a separate project with separate goals. The experience from Zope 2 and Plone is that muddying the waters between an application and a framework makes a system harder for people to understand and use, not easier. > I know Plone just had a new release . I am not sure what all is in it, > but it would be great if Zope 3 on startup looked just like Plone, as > far as possible. Right out of the box allow users to register > themselves, and add in the stock content types. Calendar item, news > item, things like that, not the developer centric ZPT and DTML file. > Also allow the developer stuff, but under a different branch of a > hierarchical menu system. Maybe only people with a developer or > manager permission see those kinds of items. > It sounds like you're talking about through-the-web development, which is an idea now thoroughly discredited. TTW customisation has its place. Writing code through a web browser is just painful and brings long term pain once you grow out of tinkering mode and start having to worry about things like deployment and dev/test/prod lifecycles. > That is all I want. A simple content management system out of the box, > make it easy to add my own content type. Sure the serious hackers can > throw all that out, but for the average end user/developer, that would > be a hugely tempting improvement over using Plone. If you just want a simple CMS, I suggest you install a CMS. With Dexterity, by the way (available in Plone 4, probably standard in Plone 5), you can legitimately create content types through the web in Plone. > If I can add a few > dtml pages to display my content, it would all be very easy to get > started. Later I could export to the file system, and svn. > Please note that DTML is a dead (and horrid) technology. Martin _______________________________________________ Zope-Dev maillist - [email protected] https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )