Re: Zope2 - pro/contra

When I started with Zope I loved its Zope Book. It was a super simple amd
well documented book with a lot of examples.

Zope3 and all that came later does not have it in my opinion.

I saw right now jinja2 and doesn't like. insert code between html code in
that way remember me dtml. it was good in its time but ot any more.

In resume:
ZPT and zope2 are excellent tools for who knows use it.
The zope 2 book was a great help. The help in Pascal and visual basic 6
were also good help with many and not-just-see-how-call-the-command
examples to learn the language.

my 2 cents.

2015-03-10 12:03 GMT-06:00 Tom Gross <[email protected]>:

> Again, I'm not sure if it is worth the thing but when I talk about
> marketing I don't mean just having a website. Everyone has one these days.
> Why should anyone visit especially the Zope website?
> I mean going to the people and talk to them, blog, tweet, whatever ...
> In the medieval times they knew better. The king went to the market to
> promote important things and not in his castle ...
> The success story of Zope did not start because it was a good product but
> it was mentioned in New York Times and people demanded it.
> Sales seems to be a taboo word in most OpenSource communities but I think
> it is essential to keep software alive.
>
> -Tom
>
>
> On 09.03.15 07:11, Andreas Jung wrote:
>
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>>> Hello
>>>
>>> When it comes to Zope people seem to have 2 opinions. (Maybe that's
>>> the 2 in the name ;-) ). A lot of people seem to use it (with or
>>> even without Plone) and loving it and a lot of people call it dead
>>> because there is (almost) no new development. At least on the Zope
>>> package itself. I myself like to work with Zope too but I know web
>>> development changed in the last couple of years and there are other
>>> options around. I don't know if it is worth the thing but to have a
>>> future Zope needs
>>>
>>> - A MAINTAINER!!! - MARKETING!
>>>
>>
>> Oh, we great a not that bad Zope 2 site once in the past. Outcome? Zero.
>>
>>> - DOCUMENTATION!
>>>
>>
>> Oh, we created a not so bad docs.zope.org site. Outcome? Zero.
>>
>>  - Usability improvements (frameless, responsive ZMI)
>>>
>>
>> Waste of time...
>>
>>  - Technical improvements (Port to Python3, WSGI, ...)
>>>
>>
>> Reasonable but too hard to achieve and it longer it takes the more
>> pointless Zope will become.
>>
>>
>>> The technical improvements could be organized/financed with a
>>> pledgie the others are possibly harder to solve.
>>>
>>
>> Beat me for my realistic sarcasm but Zope is a zombie.
>>
>> Andreas
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