Re: Archetypes-devel Digest, Vol 4, Issue 16

Balazs, Not sure why my text got stripped - glad you could read it on gmane
- I'll try and address what I can below.

Thanks in advance for your interest!

Paul



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   1. Re: Laszlo (Balazs Ree)
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Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 08:28:30 +0200
From: Balazs Ree <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Archetypes-devel] Laszlo
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Hi Paul,

I don't know what's going on, all our posts contained no text, but only
the trailing disclaimer (I read the list from the gmane news gateway).
However I could read the important parts from Martin's replies.

On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 17:43:31 -0400, Boos, Paul M. wrote:

> Thanks for the links Martin.  Is there any documentation for Bling?  I
> looked at the readme and it does indeed sound like where we want to go
> (from what it can tell me).  And Azax also seems to be a good bit on the
> right track - are there any pointers on how these are being integrated
> with Archetypes specifically?

I'd like to ask back some questions. As a Plone consultant and one of the
developers of KSS I certainly cannot offer any working capacity for your
suggested project in the next time, but I am rather motivated to
understand Laszlo technology better and maybe get new ideas to enhance KSS
and our existing Plone frameworks.

PAUL>> Balsz, we'll be sure to collaborate with you to inject anything we
learn back to you.

1. I've heard about Laszlo half a year ago first, but from the website one
gets the impression of a long success story. Is seems OpenLaszlo was
originally developed by Laszlo, Inc. and opensourced in 2004. Quote:
"OpenLaszlo is an XML-native foundation for building next generation Web
applications that increase customer retention, conversion and brand
loyalty." I see some big customer names mentioned, but is it possible to
actually get a list of existing websites that deploy OpenLaszlo? (Not the
commercial version.)

PAUL>> There are, but I am not the best expert to know what ones are using
which version.  I know there are some US Government projects as well as some
commercial ones (pandora.com comes to mind).

2. The website says OpenLaszlo is licensed under the Common Public License
Version 1.0, which is a license listed as GPL-incompatible by the GNU. Are
there plans to ever release the source under a license that is compatible
with the GMU GPL?

PAUL> Not sure of future plans 3.3.3 is still on CPL.  But the code we are
proposing would not modify Laszlo, it would essentially be Plone-oriented
(and archetypes specifically) code that would allow an integration.  So it
should remain under a GPL liecense.  Hopefully we can make our work as a
plug-in or optional add-on.  If we fork archetypes, we'll call it something
different and point to trying to work with the community to remerge at a
later date as the various code products mature.

3. The website says: "OpenLaszlo programs are written in XML and
JavaScript and transparently compiled to Flash and soon DHTML." Does this
mean the generated websites run in Flash? If they can generate also AJAX
(DHTML) applications (so "soon" is already now) is it possible to see any
demo? I am asking this because all the demos of the website run in Flash
and from this I previously had the (perhaps false) impression that Laszlo
generates Flash output - and this was my main reason for not looking at
its further details at that time.

PAUL>> 3.3.3 offers DHTML (I think since 3.1).  The pics demo has a DHTML
equivalent.  Our focus will be to do DHTML interfaces and then ensure the
Flash comes out as a secondary goal.  (I wish they did SVG myself.)

4. Is there any example of using OpenLaszlo with a python-based web
publishing framework? It seems (again, just based on the website) that the
current deployment is rather Java based so I'd be interested in specific
experience with python.

PAUL>> Not to my knowledge.  One beauty of Laszlo though is you never have
to touch Java - that is only used to build or extend Laszlo itself.  Laszlo
apps are built in XML (and you need to know EcmaScript, the ActionScript
flavor0).
+1. Despite the name Laszlo which is a common Hungarian first name written
without accents, I see no connection to Hungary and no explanation on the
choice of name. This is just my private curiousity, which is not important
to get answered. 

Thanks in advance,


-- 
Balazs Ree





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