Re: Re: [PROPOSAL] 'Region' generated ID set

Sorry, I'm a little confused.
Do you propose to use arbitrary names for separating content from 
position in the page?

I think that the various divs should be related to the type of content. 
I mean: I suppose that everyone wants a consistent visual characteristic 
for content of the same type.
In this case i think that this should have sense:

    #page

        #information-low-evidence
        #information
        #information-high-evidence
        #input-form
        #output-form

        #document

            #information-low-evidence
            #information
            #information-high-evidence
            #input-form
            #output-form

        #banner
        #gadget

Regards
    Mirto


Chad Whitacre wrote:

>> not exactly. we're referring to the code position and not the visual 
>> position. so it is semantic. don't mix markup with visual things - 
>> just with small things like the (i really don't like it, but w3c 
>> forced us to do have that) .visualPadding .visualClear
>>
>> it was .left and .right in 1.0.x, and so refering to the visual part 
>> of plone - #portal-column-N is extensible and does not refer to the 
>> visual position of the tableless layout. people could mix it up as 
>> visual id naming in the tablebased layout, though i don't think these 
>> people are going to think much about semantics anyway ;)
>
>
> I'm half with you. "-one" and "-two" can be construed to refer to code 
> position, and so they are better than ".left" and ".right". However, 
> "column" still refers to visual position/style. In www.getupgetout.org 
> #portal-column-one isn't a column at all (sorry to keep tooting my own 
> horn).
>
>
>
>> this is impossible at this point of development, we can't and 
>> shouldn't change names between every release.
>
>
> Now that is a separate issue and your point is well-taken. This is why 
> I haven't brought this up earlier. But I figured since Joe brought it 
> up I would jump in. ;)
>
>
>
>> and, we already have a semantic naming scheme, so there is no need 
>> for that.
>
>
> Yes, we have a semantic naming scheme, but my point is that having a 
> semantic naming scheme is either:
>
>   1) Not flexible enough, because we are locked into a certain
>      semantics (visual or otherwise).
>
> or
>
>   2) Ultimately non-human readable and therefore inefficient. A truly
>      abstracted and flexible semantic naming scheme would be something
>      like:
>
>      #div-whole-page
>        #div-one
>          #div-one-one
>          #div-one-two
>          #div-one-three
>          #div-one-four
>          #div-one-five
>          #div-one-six
>          #div-one-seven
>        #div-two
>          #div-two-one
>            #div-two-one-one
>            #div-two-one-two
>          #div-two-two
>        #div-three
>        #div-four
>
> I suggest that at this point, we are truly abstracted and semantic, 
> but, ironically, by being truly semantic in terms of code position, we 
> have lost all human-readability and therefore we are killing 
> efficiency. So what I propose instead is this:
>
>      #alex
>        #joe
>          #tonico
>          #mike
>          #jan
>          #mirto
>          #myroslav
>          #john
>          #jakob
>        #michael
>          #geir
>            #olafmol
>            #chris
>          #chad
>        #tom
>        #henrietta
>
> If we don't want to use our names -- cause it'd be too political or 
> whatever -- that's fine. We can name them after the Harlem 
> Globetrotters for all I care 
> (http://harlemglobetrotters.com/players/index.php). The point is that 
> the completely arbitrary #hot-n-fresh will be much more memorable than 
> the completely semantic #div-two-one-one.
>
> We need to make main_template our friend. :)
>
> Am I explaining myself any better?
>
>
>
>> sorry, regards,
>
>
> Don't be sorry ... I asked for it!
>
>
>
>
>
> chad
>
>
>
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