Re: bastille day followup | plone.org/plone.com

I realize now that my email may have come across harsh. For that, I apologize. Indeed it came out of frustration of still getting no communication from marketing, even after rebootstrapping that mofo for the 2nd time this year and constantly politely asking for some communication. Sometimes and angry trolly email is what is needed to get people to communicate. For that I don't apologize. I actually feel like I know somewhat what is going on, and I feel 50% confident that the right people are in the loop (better than the previous 1%).   

Thank you for taking the time to talk about these things, justify decisions, and please continue to do so. I'm terrified of this cycle we have historically seen where we stop communicating between devs and marketers, marketers and communication, and off list… oh god the cycle of off list communication! Please please please remember to keep things on list, and keep us all updated, especially about plone.org.  

Thanks for everything everyone, and I appreciate all you do! I'm excited and nervous, which apparently comes across weird in email. :P

Now back to the regularly scheduled trolling…

I get the SEO thing. I'm still -1 for merging. As one of those who was chided like a child for messing with plone.org a couple years ago because it lost potential business or something that I personally didn't care/know about, I'm still butt hurt. I am with Steve in remembering the horror and arguments behind combining the two. I figure we paid a lot of money for plone.com - feels so sad to have it redirect. Emotional answer? you bet. .org and .com are traditionally separate in open source for a reason. I don't feel great about forging new pathways here. That being said, I officially hand over the battle to Ramon et al.  

Love yo faces,

Liz  

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On Friday, July 19, 2013 at 8:39 AM, Rok Garbas wrote:

> Quoting Elizabeth Leddy (2013-07-18 21:26:57)
> > For those that missed the excellent report, the Bastille day sprint report is
> > up at: http://plone.org/news/bastille-day-day-sprint-2013-results
> >  
> > There are a couple major issues I think we need to discuss as a community and
> > since people on the marketing/coms team aren't communicating with each other
> > and commenting for plone.org (http://plone.org) is turned off, I'll start the discussion here.
> > Weird? maybe, But I don't know where else to go.
> >  
> > ISSUE 1: plone.org (http://plone.org) and plone.com (http://plone.com) under 1 domain
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Please, please, please don't do this. plone.org (http://plone.org) has to be so much more fluid
> > than plone.com (http://plone.com). We need to maintain it at a much higher level (read: restarting
> > constantly) and as a developer I am tired of the content I post being under the
> > rule of any marketing team. plone.org (http://plone.org) should eventually showcase developers and
> > what we do, not who we are selling to.  
> >  
> > Ramon - have you done a blog post about the work you are doing with plone.org (http://plone.org)
> > yet? Maybe talk with the sprinters at Basitlle day? Did anyone outside of the
> > in crowd know that there is a beautiful design just sitting there waiting for
> > help?
> >  
>  
>  
> i think you misunderstood it. or it wasn't translated to developers language
> from Gabrielle's side. so how i understood it we'll have 2 plone sites like
> before, just on one domain with subfolders. and why is that good was explained
> by Jim and _finally_ we have somebody who know about this and is at the same
> time willing to spend time doing this for plone.com (http://plone.com).
>  
> i see importance in marketing team working together with whoever is working on
> design of plone.org (http://plone.org) just to make sure correct message about plone is being
> sent. I'm not saying here marketing team should lead the design, but to work
> _with_ the designer and compromises will have to be done on both ends, right?
>  
> >  
> > ISSUE 2: we are completely defunct in marketing. bankrupt.  
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > I am at a loss here. I see in the post all of these marketing techniques like
> > target users and blah blah which have been done at more than 2 sprints now.
> > What do we as a community need to do to get marketing to work with each other
> > in the same way that the developers do?  
> >  
> > How many revamps of plone.com (http://plone.com) are we going to go through until we actually push
> > it? Can we just hire a marketing group that is external and pass the buck? At
> > least plone.com (http://plone.com) would go live and we wouldn't have to worry about it. I'm
> > sincerely disappointed in our inability to get our shit together on the
> > marketing front, especially with regards to our domains.  
> >  
> > I'm not Linus, so I won't threaten anyone but I promise you this: If plone.com (http://plone.com)
> > isn't up by the end of this year I'm teaching a cat to juggle plone balls and
> > just putting a giant animated gif up cause that's the most accurate
> > representation of what we are doing right now.
> >  
>  
>  
> we're are all desperate to finally get plone.com (http://plone.com) online. at oshkosh erik took
> over the marketing team and would be nice to hear a report from him on the
> mailing list just to update us on situation. (i've been at oshkosh sprint and
> indiana sprint and can confirm guys were working long nights to improve
> marketing, and plone.com (http://plone.com) only being first step in this story).
>  
>  
> > Opinions, help, leadership: all welcome.
>  
> lets not be grumpy developers and kindly ask marketing team to explain us their
> decisions. i'm sure they reasons behind their decisions. and marketing team,
> please communicate with us we promise we wont be as grumpy as usual :)
>  
>  
> GO GO GO marketing team !!!!!
>  
>  
> --
> Rok Garbas - http://www.garbas.si
>  
>

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