Re: do we need plone.app.customerize? was: [Plone-Users] Insufficient privileges on folder_contents

I agree it's important to have a TTW story for Plone.

You can today, without creating a Python module (or even use
third-part modules) do loads of things:

1. Create new content types with new schemas.
2. Import themes and modify them.
3. Change the workflows and permissions.
4. Set up "collections" that will update automatically.
5. Choose what information is shown on different pages by setting up
portlets, including worklists.
6. Set up email notifications for various events.
7. And of course infinite amounts of minor configurations.
8. And I probably even forgot something.

This allows you a lot of TTW flexibility. The only thing of this you
even need to go to the ZMI for is if you want to make new workflows. I
have customers where I set up a demonstration server of Plone to see
if they liked it. They did. A year later they wanted some changes, and
it turned out they took that plain Plone demo site and started using
it as a procurement management system. :-)

Now of course, there is another level of flexibility given when you
can create new templates, and the next level of flexibility is when
you can develop things in Python. And I do want a story to make that
easy. But does it really have to be TTW to be easy? The only benefit I
can see with TTW is that it allows me to fix urgent bugs in minutes
instead of say, 15 minutes. I don't think the drawbacks are worth it.

I think it's perfectly fine to draw a line between configuration and
development, and say that configuration is TTW and development is not.
I know there are a lot of people doing TTW development and saying that
it is an absolute must, but I'm not 100% convinced that you haven't
actually looked into the alternatives that are available.

So are there alternatives to TTW? Well, how about a way to let you
edit a jbot directory remotely, via WebDAV, as long as you are in
development mode. As just an idea. I'm sure there are other
alternatives and somebody can come up with an even better way to do
it. But I really don't think that Plones TTW story needs the feature
of allowing us to edit templates through a browsers shitty built-in
editor. That is not the actual feature people want when they talk
about Plone and TTW. Neither is the feature they want the possibility
to store Python code in the ZODB. That's not what gives you the added
value.

//Lennart

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