Re: Supposed behaviour of the "visible ids" setting

+1 to making it appear by default on the settings tab, but protected by a
distinct permission.  That same permission should be used to protect the
various rename actions /forms as well.

On Tuesday, December 24, 2013, Luca Fabbri wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 11:37 AM, robert rottermann <[email protected]<javascript:;>>
> wrote:
> > Am 24.12.2013 11:16, schrieb Timo Stollenwerk:
> >> Am 23.12.2013 23:07, schrieb David Glick (Plone):
> >>> On 12/23/13, 1:58 PM, Dylan Jay wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On 24 Dec 2013 08:06, "Eric Steele" <[email protected]<javascript:;>
> >>>> <mailto:[email protected] <javascript:;>>> wrote:
> >>>>> On 23 Dec 2013, at 10:44, Luca Fabbri wrote:
> >>>>>> On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Timo Stollenwerk tisto-z4DKO/[email protected]<javascript:;>
> >>>> <mailto:tisto-z4DKO/[email protected] <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'm currently working on the PLIP to move all control panels in
> >>>> Plone to
> >>>>>>> use z3c.form/p.a.registry and I was wondering about the supposed
> >>>>>>> behaviour of the "visible_ids" setting.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On a vanilla Plone 4.2/4.3 it seems this setting does not have any
> >>>>>>> effect at all. If it is enabled, there is no additional id field
> >>>> on the
> >>>>>>> edit view of a content object and it is always possible to edit
> the id
> >>>>>>> of a content object through the folder_contents view.
> >>>>>> I used this few days ago on PLone 4.2 and it was working as
> expected:
> >>>>>> remember that you must enable both the site general setting and the
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> same preference in the user's preferences.
> >>>>> That's correct. The control panel checkbox controls access to the
> >>>> personal preferences setting. You're basically saying "People are
> >>>> alloChangingee the id field if they want to." It doesn't automatically
> >>>> turn it on sitewide. Does anyone turn on the id field by default?
> >>>>
> >>>> Anyone know the original idea why setting the id is so many steps to
> >>>> enable?
> >>>> Given the user can do it by actions rename anyway. Btw Changing URL
> >>>> via rename is a extra training step we always have to do since its not
> >>>> intuitive.
> >>>>
> >>> I think we should get rid of the preference and the global setting, and
> >>> have the Short Name field always appear on the Settings tab when
> editing
> >>> an item. That way it's a bit out of the way (not cluttering up the
> >>> initial edit page), but it's also easier to access than either the
> >>> rename dialog or turning on the visible ids preference.
> >> +1
> >>
> >>
> > -10
> > I am very much against giving people easy access to changing the short
> ID.
> > The short ID should not be changed, as soon as the object it points to
> > is referred to from outside Plone.
> > Which for any "serious" Plonesite that is mentioned in newsletters,
> > Download sections ans such is surely the case.
> >
> > So once created and communicated to the world, its URL (aka short ID)
> > should NEVER change.
> > And people WILL change it, if they can do it easily.
> >
> > And no, you cant educate people not to do it!
> >
>
> Can't we simply pair this new feature to a new permission (is
> dexterity easiliy supporting field permission like archetype was?)?
>
> --
> -- luca
>
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