Re: developer.plone.org deeplink redirects?

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On 04/30/2014 05:39 PM, Luca Fabbri wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 5:25 PM, sven <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 04/30/2014 04:36 PM, Fred van Dijk wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>>> On 30-04-2014 07:38, Alex Clark wrote:
>>>>>> One possibility does occur to me, though: it may have been nice to leave
>>>>>> the old docs in place for some period of time along with the new docs to
>>>>>> satisfy the "don't break shit" rule. If you know me, you know I've said
>>>>>
>>>>> HV> no, please do not do so, guys; the old documentation must die: the sooner, the better.
>>>>>
>>>>> you have done a hell of a work and I really appreciate that. I understand the frustration of some people but it is more frustrating for anybody to come looking for information and land on a page completely outdated with information that does not work anyway.
>>>>
>>>> Ehm, I don't see the problem here if the old documentation was still available a few months as a reference on a separate url like old-docs.plone.org or old-developer.plone.org so that community members with any knowledge on the old documentation structure and stored links/bookmarks can still find documentation they remember. With a correct robots.txt it doesn't pollute index results but still allows people to "get work done" and help fixing broken links.
>>>>
> 
> This will confuse people, for sure this will confuse new people or less
> technical user.
> After some discussions and brainstorming with the useful input of people
> who do documentation for living, we decided to take them down.
> Yes, that means you will have to update your bookmarks, and yes that is
> extra work.
> Please keep in mind we have not only developers in the community we have
> also integrators, designer, admins and much more.
> 
> 
> 
>> Don't know what is the best way, but I think that also now users can
>> be confused.
> 
>> Whatever plone related search on Google ("plone create portlet",
>> "plone override viewlet") is not landing to anything useful, although
>> the widget is helping.

This is already fixed, if I 'google' for 'plone override viewlet' I get
as first result
'https://developer.plone.org/views/more_view_examples.html' which points
to http://docs.plone.org/develop/plone/views/more_view_examples.html

So as already said, we are still busy fixing the redirects we are
focusing on the ones which are getting the most 404 requests, and yes
not all of them are done,
And yes it is not optimal we know that too.

Can I suggest that people stop repeating that the situation is not
optimal and in place of that sending us suggestions of broken links
which are really important to fix.
We will not be able to cover all search queries, but as I said we are
still fixing and updating.
We can also see that docs.plone.org are getting slowly better index
results on google.

>> I'm not a SEO export, but I don't think this is not optimal, this is
>> like starting from scratch with totally new documentation for a
>> totally new CMS. We have hundreds of links from other blog articles,
>> stackoverflow, ... that now are broken.
> 
>> Apart of that: let me say thanks to the documentation team, the result
>> is really amazing!
> 
> 
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