Re: What I'd like to see gsoc achieve: plone distributions

So in summary we'd need to do the following:

1. Validate that people expect themes to be more than just the look
If this is generally true then we go with the name otherwise we agree on a
more appropriate term.
2. Implement

Where 2 isn't necessarily dependent on 1 as the name is for "marketing" and
communication purposes.



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David Bain, RHCSA
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On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 6:25 AM, Dylan Jay <djay-n0pU0XVUApFWk0Htik3J/[email protected]> wrote:

> On 25 Mar 2015, at 6:11 pm, David Bain <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > Dylan,
> > I think we're on the same page with the idea, I'm advocating for a
> different name for the the approach like "distribution" or "stack". I don't
> think it should be called a "theme". When we switched to Diazo I had a hard
> time explaining to newbies the distinction between old school theming and
> the new Diazo way and it meant they had to learn to distinguish between the
> two types of themes. I don't think it would be helpful to add a new layer
> of concern to the same name. This is why I'd suggest another name but the
> same concept with GS etc...
>
> Well you can call it site profile or whatever you want but if the rest of
> the CMS world includes more than the "skin" in their themes then I think we
> are just making life hard.
> What I'm suggesting is that a theme is still a theme zip that can
> optionally include initial starter content, GS, plugin requirements and
> some site specific code (should that be needed). That means its possible to
> ship generic themes with no starter content or GS if you want. It's should
> also be possible to install a theme and ignore the GS and default content
> and just use the design part (assuming it was designed to be generic
> enough).I think it would muddy the water to invent a new word.
>
> I'm also suggesting that a distribution is defined as a prepacked set of
> such themes (probably with the default content), along with an out of the
> box multisite install that lets users signup, pick a theme and have a ready
> to go site even without being the admin of the site. Then they could
> install it on their organisation server and let people create sites as much
> as they want.
> So distribution is not just 1 theme, but can be many themes. It's not just
> a blank slate that leaves you wondering what to do do next after install or
> what this thing can do.
>
>
> >
> >
> > -
> >
> >
> >
> > David Bain, RHCSA
> > Owner at Alteroo
> > [email protected]
> > www.alteroo.com
> > (876) 475-5824
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 5:30 AM, Dylan Jay <djay-n0pU0XVUApFWk0Htik3J/[email protected]> wrote:
> > I can't see plone changing quickly such that plone doesn't have smart
> generic plugins. I'm not suggesting that themes don't use plugins but they
> come preconfigured and include demo content.
> >
> > Like this http://themes.crunchpress.com/?theme=book-store-wp
> >
> > This idea that themes are 100% generic and can be used on any kind of
> site is too idealistic I think. It sets the bar far to high and also makes
> the themes too bland.
> >
> > The default content and configuration is installed on first install
> maybe vs GS. You would likely have upgrades to the diazo or plugins but you
> would have to ship upgrade profiles to the GS if you wanted to ship a theme
> that included upgrades to configuration. Most likely you wouldn't.
> > The idea is to help people get started quickly so they have to make so
> many choices on how to get a useful site for their purpose quickly.
> >
> > > On 24 Mar 2015, at 9:47 pm, David Bain <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > One of my frustrations with Wordpress in the past is functionality
> being tied to themes, I consider this a weakness, not a strength. In fact,
> it is my understanding that the best wordpress developers discourage the
> practice, or to put it another way, key functionality in a them is
> something done in wordpress, found to be wanting and now actively
> discouraged.
> > >
> > > Anchoring key functionality to a theme sets us up for troublesome
> migration issues (at least when a customer wants to change the look of
> their site). Upgrading the look of the site becomes a production rather
> than simply changing the theme.
> > >
> > > I'm definitely in favour of distributions, but they need to be theme
> independent, so that an end user doesn't have to cross their fingers when
> changing themes for their new Plone based "daily deals distribution",
> "education distribution" or "mini-reddit-clone distribution".
> > >
> > > My suggestion is that an audit of the most commonly used widgets and
> views be done, then themers would be encouraged to account for these in
> their theme. The closest thing we have to that now is the /test_rendering
> view which shows common widgets. A good summer of code project towards this
> end would be to fill out a more comprehensive reference page for themers.
> > >
> > > This approach is used for wordpress themes on themeforest in the form
> of shortcodes pages.
> > > See screenshot below:
> > >
> > > <image.png>
> > >
> > >
> > > -
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > David Bain, RHCSA
> > > Owner at Alteroo
> > > [email protected]
> > > www.alteroo.com
> > > (876) 475-5824
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 5:30 AM, espen <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > 24. mars 2015 kl. 11:20 skrev Dylan Jay [via Plone] <[hidden email]>:
> > >
> > >> at is missing?
> > >> I realise it's perhaps beyond GSOC student but perhaps not if someone
> steps up and architects how you could put a prebuilt site into a theme
> package. Previously I'd suggested just dumping GS xml into the theme
> package and then a button to install the GS after you activate a theme but
> no one seemed to like that so perhaps someone could come up with a better
> idea that a GSOC student could code? And then we could have some great
> example sites rather than just e
> > >
> > > Just some brainstorming:
> > >
> > > Could it somehow be possible that the universal installer installed
> some Plone sites.
> > > SO: after installing Plone (for the first time), when you go to
> http://localhost:8080, you see
> > > Plone site
> > > and
> > > PloneDemo1
> > > PloneDemo2
> > > etc
> > >
> > > As many probably does not want this, it should be possible to turn off
> in buildout (?)
> > >
> > > Espen
> > >
> > > View this message in context: Re: What I'd like to see gsoc achieve:
> plone distributions
> > > Sent from the Core Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> > >
> > >
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