Re: Plone 5.0b2-pending available for testing

On 05/25/2015 02:00 PM, Nathan Van Gheem wrote:
> https://github.com/plone/Products.CMFPlone/issues

HV> thanks! the first issue was already reported:

https://github.com/plone/Products.CMFPlone/issues/411

> Click the plone icon to total text. Click upper top left to move from
> side to top.

HV> that was awesome! thanks!

> I think we need a control panel entry to set this on the site without
> using the theme.

HV> +1

> Yes, the way you go about things can be annoying and momentum killing
> but you can be helpful too.

HV> sorry, Nathan; I don't want to annoy anyone and I don't want to kill 
your momentum... but at some point we need to face reality and we better 
do it before the final release. the horizontal toolbar should be the 
default, IMO; I haven't tested it in depth, but it has to be better than 
the vertical one.

> No, you're not the only one who notices. I also mentioned it during the
> UI/UX meeting. Most everyone that uses it knows it needs tweaking. There
> just isn't an obvious best way to do it where the toolbar actually fits
> decent widths when on top. If you know the perfect way to plan out the
> toolbar buttons, please share.

HV> no, I have no idea on how to solve it; I'm not an UI/usability 
expert but the issues the vertical toolbar causes are screaming at me 
every time I have tested Plone 5.

the one thing I want to bring back here is that, IMO, we made a mistake 
by skipping the 4.4 release; Plone 5 brings many UI changes that are not 
tested with real users before including them on the core and we are 
risking here too much.

releasing faster with few changes and making some of these changes 
optional for power users to test first, give us feedback earlier so we 
can fix broken ideas faster also.

that's the way we went with Diazo and Dexterity and it proved to pay.

having said that, I can tell you that Plone 5 is looking pretty fine 
now; last time I tested it was one of the earlier alpha releases and can 
see a difference here.

thank you very much for the hard work you guys have done!

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