Re: Plone 3.2 User Manual Update

Joanna, Sam, I assume you guys can work through this stuff and make changes
where necessary?

I¹m a little hesitant to change the URLs for some of these until we have the
3.0 URL redirection working for us. Since this is coming very soon, I¹d like
to hold off on changing these until SteveM and I have a chance to work our
magic. 

- Veda


On 12/22/08 2:46 AM, "Jeff Pittman" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Sorry, I had the mistaken idea that the user interface changes in the 3.1
> series were significant, but I see now -- the UI has been stable -- good job
> Plone! 
> 
> There are a few little things that have changed, but nothing really serious
> that we can't edit in place in the existing Plone 3 manual. And I can see
> where work on an updated user manual should target the Plone 4 series.
> 
> The short name of the manual is plone-3-user-manual, but the title is Plone
> 3.0 User Manual. The title would be fine, better in fact, as Plone 3 User
> Manual. Should we change it? Implications for links to the manual? (we would
> be changing title, not short name).
> 
> Here are comments from a comparison of 3.0 to 3.1.7 user interface
> differences, and update needs to 3.0 user manual. See mentions of CHANGED for
> a few things.
> 
>>>>>> >>>>><<<<<
> http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-3-user-manual/introduction/concept
> ual-overview
> 
> OK
> 
>>>>>> >>>>><<<<<
> http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-3-user-manual/introduction/visual-
> design-of-plone-web-sites
> 
> CHANGED
> 
> Sites showcased with screen captures are:
> 
> http://www.akamai.com/ -- significantly different now. Still Plone?
> 
> http://discovermagazine.com/ -- significantly different now. Still Plone?
> 
> http://www.smeal.psu.edu/ -- Looks the same.
> 
>>>>>> >>>>><<<<<
> http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-3-user-manual/introduction/plone-u
> ser-accounts
> 
> OK 
> 
>>>>>> >>>>><<<<<
> http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-3-user-manual/introduction/setting
> -your-preferences
> http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-3-user-manual/introduction/your-da
> shboard
> 
> CHANGED
> 
> Default dashboard now shows Recent Changes portlet. (It was empty initially in
> 3.0).
> 
> There is now a Change Password link between Profile and Personal Preferences
> links.
> 
>>>>>> >>>>><<<<<
> http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-3-user-manual/adding-content/addin
> g-folders
> 
> CHANGED
> 
> Add new drop-down menu has lost the bottom menu item, Page Restrictions...
> 
> Screencast is for Plone 2.0, as warned on the page.
> 
>>>>>> >>>>><<<<<
> http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-3-user-manual/adding-content/whats
> -in-a-web-name
> 
> OK
> 
>>>>>> >>>>><<<<<
> http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-3-user-manual/adding-content/addin
> g-images
> 
> OK
> 
>>>>>> >>>>><<<<<
> http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-3-user-manual/adding-content/prepa
> ring-images-for-the-web
> 
> OK
> 
> Note: This page is linked at the top of the adding-images page, and is a page
> that repeats later. OK
> 
>>>>>> >>>>><<<<<
> http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-3-user-manual/adding-content/addin
> g-pages
> 
> OK Kupu menu bar is even the same, which is surprising.
> 
> Screencast is for Plone 2.0, as warned on the page.
> 
>>>>>> >>>>><<<<<
> http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-3-user-manual/adding-content/addin
> g-files
> 
> OK
> 
> Screencast is for Plone 2.0, as warned on the page.
> 
>>>>>> >>>>><<<<<
> http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-3-user-manual/adding-content/addin
> g-links
> 
> OK
> 
> Screencasts (2) are for Plone 2.0, as warned on the page.
> 
>>>>>> >>>>><<<<<
> http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-3-user-manual/adding-content/addin
> g-events
> 
> OK
> 
> Screencast is for Plone 2.0, as warned on the page.
> 
>>>>>> >>>>><<<<<
> http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-3-user-manual/adding-content/addin
> g-news-items
> 
> OK
> 
> Screencast is for Plone 2.0, as warned on the page.
> 
>>>>>> >>>>><<<<<
> http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-3-user-manual/adding-content/setti
> ng-basic-properties
> 
> OK
> 
>>>>>> >>>>><<<<<
> http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-3-user-manual/adding-content/restr
> icting-types-in-a-folder
> 
> CHANGED
> 
> As this has been removed from the Add new drop-down menu, this could just be
> deleted?
> 
> Besides, I can't even find this functionality in another place?
> 
>>>>>> >>>>><<<<<
> http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-3-user-manual/managing-content/cut
> ting-copying-and-pasting-items
> 
> OK
> 
> Screencast is for Plone 2.0, as warned on the page.
> 
>>>>>> >>>>><<<<<
> http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-3-user-manual/managing-content/edi
> ting-content
> 
> OK Checked mouse-over actions to trigger editing on a page, for the title and
> body text. OK
> 
>>>>>> >>>>><<<<<
> http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-3-user-manual/managing-content/fol
> der-view
> 
> OK
> 
> Screencast is for Plone 2.0, as warned on the page.
> 
>>>>>> >>>>><<<<<
> http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-3-user-manual/managing-content/fol
> der-contents
> 
> OK
> 
> Screencast is for Plone 2.0, as warned on the page.
> 
> Comment on the page: drag-drop reordering -- folder contents is the only place
> you can do reordering within a folder, but if you have a folder with more than
> 20 items you can't seem to do this cause of the next/previous page issue. Is
> there a way to display all items in a folder to allow full ordering control ?
> 
> Added comment to say that reordering info is on the next page.
> 
>>>>>> >>>>><<<<<
> http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-3-user-manual/managing-content/reo
> rdering-items
> 
> OK
> 
> Several comments on the page, for workarounds to reorder more than 20 items.
> 
>>>>>> >>>>><<<<<
> http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-3-user-manual/managing-content/pre
> vious-next-links
> 
> OK I didn't see the Default/Categorization/Dates/Ownership/Settings panel for
> editing a folder, but then I realized I was trying it on the home folder,
> which must be different. I created a test folder and added some pages, enabled
> previous-next, and it worked fine.
> 
> There are interesting comments on this page about problems, but one comment
> says "solved" and describes the effects of Apache proxying, etc.
> 
>>>>>> >>>>><<<<<
> http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-3-user-manual/managing-content/del
> eting-items
> 
> OK
> 
>>>>>> >>>>><<<<<
> http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-3-user-manual/managing-content/loc
> king-and-unlocking-3-0
> 
> OK I've seen the unlock panel pop up on recent Plone 3.1 sites and it seems to
> work the same.
> 
>>>>>> >>>>><<<<<
> http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-3-user-manual/managing-content/wor
> king-copy-3-0
> http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-3-user-manual/managing-content/ver
> sioning
> 
> These are Darci's pages, for functionality I haven't used yet -- I assume
> screen captures are still valid (didn't check).
> 
>>>>>> >>>>><<<<<
> http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-3-user-manual/using-collections/in
> troduction-to-collections
> 
> OK 
> 
>>>>>> >>>>><<<<<
> http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-3-user-manual/using-collections/ad
> ding-collections
> 
> OK
> 
> Screencast is for Plone 2.0, as warned on the page.
> 
>>>>>> >>>>><<<<<
> http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-3-user-manual/using-collections/ad
> justing-the-display-settings
> http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-3-user-manual/using-collections/de
> finition-of-criteria
> http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-3-user-manual/using-collections/so
> rt-order
> http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-3-user-manual/using-collections/us
> ing-and-understanding-dates
> 
> http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-3-user-manual/portlet-management/p
> ortlet-hierarchy
> http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-3-user-manual/portlet-management/m
> anaging-portlets
> http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-3-user-manual/portlet-management/p
> ortlet-types
> 
> CHANGED (ADDED)
> 
> Aha!  This is what Sam wanted to do -- he added these pages in November, 2008.
> 
> Good job Sam!
> 
>>>>>> >>>>><<<<<
> http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-3-user-manual/publication-workflow
> -and-collaboration/basic-publication-states
> 
> OK
> 
>>>>>> >>>>><<<<<
> http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-3-user-manual/publication-workflow
> -and-collaboration/advanced-control
> 
> OK
> 
> Screencast is for Plone 2.0, as warned on the page.
> 
>>>>>> >>>>><<<<<
> http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-3-user-manual/publication-workflow
> -and-collaboration/workflow-policies
> 
> OK
> 
>>>>>> >>>>><<<<<
> http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-3-user-manual/publication-workflow
> -and-collaboration/collaboration-through-sharing
> 
> Comment on page: How would you prevent people who are not logged in to view
> the content of a directory of a file in a directory?
> 
> Reply added. See 
> http://plone.org/documentation/how-to/make-folder-hierarchy-private.
> 
>>>>>> >>>>><<<<<
> http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-3-user-manual/next-steps/other-use
> ful-basic-documentation
> http://plone.org/documentation/manual/plone-3-user-manual/next-steps/from-user
> -to-site-administrator-and-beyond
> 
> OK
> 
> Jeff Pittman
> http://www.geojeff.org
> 
> 
> On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 9:40 PM, Alexander Limi <limi-z4DKO/[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 02:50:39 -0800, Jeff Pittman
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>>> > I am interested in working on a Plone 3.2 version of the user manual. One
>>> > way of doing it is to copy the 3.0 version (manual content type in PHC),
>>> > then modifying in place for 3.2. That's what we did when we made a 3.0
>>> > manual from the 2.5 version. Steve, iirc, you did something special to
>>> > copy
>>> > it?
>> 
>> I just want to echo what Steve said earlier ‹ if there is a need for a
>> separate 3.2 manual, then 3.2 is not a successful release. The whole idea
>> about the 3.x line is that interface stability is paramount, if you sit
>> down in front of Plone 3.0 or 3.2 or 3.7, it shouldn't matter.
>> 
>> Yes, this means that we can't improve the UI in a significant way in the
>> 3.x series, but even I can see that this is for the better, and swallow my
>> UI pride and put that energy towards Plone 4 instead. :)
>> 
>> In general, we should strive to talk about "Plone 3" wherever possible,
>> not "Plone 3.2" or "Plone 3.1". I have made this same mistake several
>> times in documentation and other pages, but I try to correct it whenever I
>> stumble over it in the existing docs.
>> 
>>> > New screen captures, updated text, and replacement screencasts will be
>>> > needed.
>> 
>> Hopefully not.
>> 
>> --
>> Alexander Limi · http://limi.net
>> 
>> 
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