Re: Plone-users list activity

In Sorrento last week one of the discussions was on "hackable" or "through the web" Plone and the importance of keeping and improving the ability of power users (non egg or file system developers) to customize and control their sites, without having to write lots of ZCML or Python on the file system, run buildout, and restart clients.

We also acknowledge that it is often these tinkerers who become evangelists for Plone within their organizations and can demonstrate its flexibility and power. I'm one of those tinkerers. :)

The strategic summit summary report is still being drafted by the board, but I am glad to report personally that the hackable Plone discussion resulted in a manifesto of sorts, listing current and desired features and aspects of Plone that preserve and will improve that hackability, and then will feed into a list of new feature development (exact action plan still to be worked out).

In short, yes, Plone is complex but there are enough of us who either run large installations of Plone and want or have to delegate site creation and customization to non developers, enough tinkerers who don't have access to experienced Python programmers, that we will continue to enjoy and will improve this important aspect of Plone. 

More to come on the many discussions and AGREEMENT on Plone's strategy for the coming years. 

    Kim

> On Apr 18, 2015, at 5:32 AM, Jota <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> ctheobald wrote
>> I am wondering whether the trend of this list is a 
>> result of 1) everybody knows plone well enough to not ask questions; 2) 
>> people are on another forum; 3) nobody uses plone; 4) ??
> 
> My opinion??
> --> *3)*
> 
> Look at the Irc channel... In the past, the good old days, you hardly have 5
> minutes without any message... now it goes for *hours* without any
> movement...
> But, of course, everyone is free to pretend that everything is fine and
> don't see the reality.
> 
> Take for instance, the recent release of the Plone 5 beta.
> It will be nice to have a few friendly release notes, maybe saying what is
> already stable, what is still subject to change, known problems, etc... 
> That will motivate people...
> Some use to say:
> /"Plone 5 is looking beautiful"/
> But, the true is that customers, the ones that really matter, don't care
> about looks, they want a product that just works and solve their problems in
> a *efficient* way.
> And, Plone has been steadily moving away from that goal.
> That is why it is loosing market share day by day.
> That is why, unless you are a BIG integrator, it is very hard, almost
> impossible to win and bring new clients to Plone.
> And the developers migrate for more greener pastures.
> Currently, what has Plone to offer to differentiate from the rivals?
> 1) fair security
> 2) good workflow
> 3) /absurd complexity.../
> 
> As I said, just my opinion.
> J.
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