Re: Plone 5.0 release date

Hi Sean,

On 4/28/15 3:30 PM, Sean Upton wrote:
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 11:41 AM, David Bain
> <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>     I think it would be a huge loss if Jota stopped contributing his
>     opinions. We can't afford to fall into dangerous "group think" daze.
>     I've been following the thread and see value a strong dissenting
>     opinion. I'm re-reading so that I can learn, especially from the
>     comment regarding why Plone was dropped in his case.
>
>
> My $0.02... There's a line between dissenting opinion and accusatory
> behavior.  We need to encourage the former and discourage the latter.
>
> We are seeing a "stop energy" [1] problem in this thread, I think.  One
> party was using very problematic, ad hominem, language -- directed at a
> group, though not any specific individual.  There is also, I think, an
> acute misunderstanding of varieties of authority here, confounding
> legitimate power/responsibility earned by merit and expertise with some
> kind of "insider" parochial power (a straw-man fallacy at best).
>
> It is hard work to volunteer in communities that produce useful things
> like this; it is hard work to sustain the work of other volunteers.
> It's difficult to see all the work that actually goes into this kind of
> effort.  There's not always consensus, but there should be every
> incentive for cooperation when we can muster it.
>
> Some of us (myself certainly included) should be contributing more to
> the community.  There are varieties of things I do not like in some
> "core" directions (e.g. plone.api is too procedural for my taste), but
> the only party I have to blame for things I might disagree with is
> myself (not for lack of critique, but lack of contributed solution).
>
> I think we should all at least recognize that like any software, like
> any organization, like any community: there are always evolving
> opportunities and challenges, and the folks contributing the most to
> conquering the latter were (IMHO) getting unnecessarily skewered in this
> thread.


Oh, I love a good logical debate! [1]

Yeah, I think one of the biggest challenges in participating in a 
community (and trying to help keep things positive) is that 
communication is hard. And many of the people participating aren't 
"experts". And even "experts" aren't perfect.

So, as a perpetual student of the community and communication I try to 
consistently practice "best practices" as I understand them to be:

- http://www.albion.com/netiquette/corerules.html


Alex



[1] https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/
>
> Sean
>
> [1] http://bcsaller.blogspot.com/2005/11/stop-energy.html
>
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