Re: Some Thoughts

On Tuesday, February 4, 2003, at 10:33  AM, Steve Alexander wrote:
> Please try to keep this mailing list focused on the issues it was set  
> up to address.

You seem to be coming into this thread without the context.  See:

	http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope2-migration/2003-February/ 
000008.html

and more specifically:

I wrote:
> 2.  Offer features in Z2004/Z3 which are so desirable that the upgrade
> is not just comforting, evolutionary, but a genuine
> no-brainer/wish-list sort of home-run (foreshadow of grain of salt goes
> here).  See below for radical example (appended rather than core).
> Such a radical upgrade could also generate new interest in Zope on its
> own, depending on its nature.

That was in response to a Paul Everitt post on how to get people to  
migrate to Z3.

> I don't think discussions of whether or not Zope has a future running  
> atop a Java virtual machine are all that helpful or pertinent to the  
> discussion of migrating applications and businesses from zope2 to  
> zope3.

Not directly, but a clarification was in order to avoid any confusion  
about what was proposed (above).

> Java does not feature on the roadmaps from Zope Corporation

Agreed, which is why it would be a new strategy worth considering  
(again, see above link and upgrade strategy).

> no-one that I know of is working on getting Zope3 to run on jython.

Agreed, a point I make in the article linked above.  However, I also  
point out that (reportedly) Z3 will be much closer to pure python than  
Z2, so in some sense all work on Z3 is toward a jython compatible Zope.  
  If Z3 (or some incarnation of it) is pure python, then Z3 may be the  
first Zope which is jython/jvm compatible (though at slower than normal  
python/zope speed --- no python3000 speedups).  Perhaps that's a good  
first step and java compatibility an incentive for Z3?  Hmm...

= Joe =