[GeneralDiscussion200710] Archiving GeneralDiscussion 2007 September and October
[email protected] (FrankLaurijssens)
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From simon Wed Sep 5 13:23:01 -0700 2007 From: simon Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 13:23:01 -0700 Subject: Plone/Wicked, Zwiki comparison Message-ID: <[email protected]> FYI, I've updated http://zwiki.org/PloneAndCMF#zwiki-and-wicked. From simon Thu Sep 6 16:17:38 -0700 2007 From: simon Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 16:17:38 -0700 Subject: darcs doc update Message-ID: <[email protected]> New/updated: - http://zwiki.org/DarcsRepos#how-to-check-out-a-copy-of-zwiki - http://zwiki.org/DarcsRepos#how-to-upgrade-downgrade-your-repo-to-a-known-version From NeilMcEvoy Sat Sep 8 05:43:57 -0700 2007 From: NeilMcEvoy Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 05:43:57 -0700 Subject: how do ZWiki home page Message-ID: <[email protected]> I love the zwiki.org home page style. is there a quick how to on how it's done? I've looked around the site, but can't find how to do stuff like the nice coloured boxes, the centred text etc. Thanks! From SimonMichael Sat Sep 8 08:59:39 -0700 2007 From: Simon Michael Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 08:59:39 -0700 Subject: how do ZWiki home page Message-ID: <[email protected]> In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> Hey Neil, welcome. It's just hand-tweaked html (FrontPage uses structured text + html instead of restructured text). See it via the edit link, external edit link, or by appending /src to the url. From NeilMcEvoy Sun Sep 9 05:58:37 -0700 2007 From: NeilMcEvoy Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 05:58:37 -0700 Subject: Plone integration Message-ID: <[email protected]> My main goal is plone integration, and I see there's a lot of info to read. A quick question: ZWiki Folders allows me to select membership controls, such as 'role to add wiki pages' = 'expert' etc. Will these be site-wide, or will they fit in with how I'm trying to use mxmWorkgroups, which is limit the role to that group, ie a group wiki can only be edited by an expert for that group, or will it mean any expert can edit any wiki? many thanks! Neil. From flemmingbjerke Wed Sep 12 03:53:57 -0700 2007 From: flemmingbjerke Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 03:53:57 -0700 Subject: Spam Message-ID: <[email protected]> It is necessary to pay more attention to spam. Even zwiki.org has had spam problems: http://zwiki.org/1279IssuetrackerSpamIsStillAProblemCloseHolesAndRepairIssuesOnZwikiOrgElsewhere We need to have open zwiki where whoever wants to comment, can comment. But, we cannot do that due to spammers. I have tried to apply plonecaptcha, but I haven't succeeded in having zwiki to validate captcha. I think zwiki should have default opportunity where anonymous user must use captcha. From betabug Wed Sep 12 04:29:32 -0700 2007 From: betabug Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 04:29:32 -0700 Subject: Spam Message-ID: <[email protected]> In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> Have you tried setting edits_need_username ? Did it change anything for you there? See for example the LinkSpam page for details. From SimonMichael Wed Sep 12 08:37:40 -0700 2007 From: Simon Michael Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 08:37:40 -0700 Subject: Spam Message-ID: <[email protected]> In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> As betabug says, see http://zwiki.org/LinkSpam - that page has the current know-how for dealing with Zwiki spam. So far these methods have been sufficient for all zwikis I know about. Patches to integrate with PloneCaptcha would be interesting. From val Fri Sep 14 03:39:28 -0700 2007 From: val Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 03:39:28 -0700 Subject: upload image inplace Message-ID: <[email protected]> Hi all, I have created a bit of javascript code that uses the upload functionality embedded in Zwiki to upload images. It all works fine, the upload works fine, but the image is always put under the text, instead of where the cursor is. Does anyone have a clue why? From betabug Sat Sep 15 06:45:40 -0700 2007 From: betabug Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 06:45:40 -0700 Subject: upload image inplace Message-ID: <[email protected]> In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> Unless you have changed any Zwiki python code, the uploads are on the server handled by the handleFileUpload() method (in Editing.py), which - after handling all the file uploading business - will call _addFileLink() (also in Editing.py). _addFileLink() searches the text of the current page for a link to the freshly uploaded image. If no such link (href or src) is found, and satisfying some other tests, it adds a link to the image at the end of the wiki page in question. So I'd say that if your javascript also adds a link to that image at the cursor position and properly sends in the "edited" page text to the server **at the same time** as uploading the image, then the image should not appear at the end of the page. From simon Sat Sep 15 09:19:37 -0700 2007 From: simon Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 09:19:37 -0700 Subject: release status Message-ID: <[email protected]> Hi all.. I have not felt ready to release 0.60 final yet due to a number of uglyish plone and encoding-related issues. You can see them in IssueTracker. I haven't been able to spend time on these during the week. Good news, Sascha Welter is back to zwiki hacking as of today and this will help a lot. Anyone else with a little time here and there, please do hang out on #zwiki and help if you can. Many hands make light work! From simon Sat Sep 15 15:25:08 -0700 2007 From: simon Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 15:25:08 -0700 Subject: Zwiki 0.60 released Message-ID: <[email protected]> In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> Can't wait any longer! 0.60 must be released! Happy Software Freedom Day! From SimonMichael Thu Sep 20 12:14:17 -0700 2007 From: Simon Michael Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:14:17 -0700 Subject: Zwiki 0.60 released Message-ID: <[email protected]> I'm glad to announce the recent release of Zwiki 0.60, breaking the unusually long dry spell since 0.59 in 2007/04. Development has continued at a steady pace, as you can see at the darcsweb link below; also the docs continue to improve at zwiki.org and the issue tracker continues to grind through the mass of issues. Zope 2.10 and Plone 3 users will want to upgrade to this one. I am tinkering with the development process to try and make us more efficient. We have fun on this project and don't mind sharing it around, so more contributors always welcome! Best wishes, -Simon Links: - http://zwiki.org - documentation, discussion, download, start here - http://joyful.com/darcsweb/darcsweb.cgi?r=ZWiki;a=shortlog - commit history - http://zwiki.org/FreeHosting - free zwiki hosting - http://joyful.com - related sites Release notes: Zwiki 0.60.0 2007/09/15 ======================= Fix TAL unicode errors with zope 2.10, Plone 3/CMF 2.1 compatibility, quicker page rendering, permanent edit history, labelled bracket links, better support for custom wiki templates, a tool for importing MoinMoin wikis, many other improvements and code cleanups. Upgrade notes * Zope >=2.10 users should upgrade to this release to avoid TAL unicode errors * Plone 3/CMF 2.1 users should upgrade to this release * Plone 2.x users will not be able to install this release in sites, see #1322 below * a wiki catalog is no longer optional, and will be added if missing * skin customizers should note the wiki navigation links are now in the wikipage template Installing * #1322: Plone 3 & CMF 2.1 compatibility. Warning, this version of Zwiki uses GenericSetup and is not compatible with older versions of Plone/CMF. This could be tackled in a future release if there is demand. See the issue page for discussion and possible workarounds. * tools/prepmoin.py, imports MoinMoin wiki data to a zwiki (M. Pedersen) * #1217: fix setupDtmlPages error (Sascha Welter) Configuring * fixPageEncoding renamed to fixEncoding and fixed * move wiki navigation links to wikipage template for easier customizing * #1041, #1145: ensure a catalog and an outline cache are always present. Browsing * make the home link, wiki logo and index_html use the default page url consistently * hide the prefix in mailto: email hyperlinks * change long-standing links order: contents before changes, help after options * #1348 - redirect to original page after useroptions We are always calling FrontPage/useroptions to limit bot traffic. Now we are carrying the redirectURL through the REQUEST, so we know where to redirect in the end. (Sascha Welter) * #1333: make literal/code style more precise to avoid styling difform headings * help page cleanup * #1145: avoid the broken dtml-in sort option in SearchPage, also, to avoid occasional search errors * most access keys are always available, but disable the s subscribeform key if mailout is not enabled, as an extra cue * speed up pages by doing less work * slight discussionUrl speedup, don't look for UserDiscussion page * speed up hasIssues, which was taking half the 2.5s skin render time on zwiki.org Editing * #1157: replace revertEdits[Everywhere]By with history-wiping expunge, expungeEditsBy, expungeEditsEverywhereBy methods * more robust history: - allow partial history, revisions can safely be deleted - use a btree folder for revisions if possible - more zodb cache friendly - richer history api * new history and diff views. History should now be at least as functional as before, and permanent * simple permanent revisions model, use revisions folder instead of recycle_bin * stop discarding content outside of html body tags - they may be part of the content * #1370: allow arbitrary urls in bracket links * optional link labels after | in bracket links * #965: avoid infinite recursion error when a page is reparented to itself (Sascha Welter) * #570 - Ensure valid id with file uploads. But meanwhile try to mess with uploaded file's names as little as possible. We check first if the name is acceptable to Zope, and only if it isn't we change it. (Sascha Welter) * #1085 - Comments are now properly formatted in HTML pagetype. Now it's possible to use comments in HTML pagetype pages and have the comments still properly formatted after page edits. Similar to #1079 and therefore again credits and thanks to Martijn Pieters. We are in the same manner using preRenderMessages to add the comments. (Sascha Welter) * #1079 - Plaintext comments work now. Commenting on plaintext pages would work until you edited the page itself, then the prerendering method lost the comment rendering. Credits go to Martijn Peters for this patch, a bit adapted to code that had moved on. I had to tweak the output test, as the exact placement of blank lines at end of the page content has changed minimally. (Sascha Welter) * refuse any incoming text that's not ascii or utf-8, to avoid problems later * createform and create now look only at folder permissions, not the current page, to be consistent with the page management form. The 'Zwiki: Add pages' permission is meaningful only on folders, and ignored on pages. * #512 - fix footnotes with "create page" links in RST (Sascha Welter) * #1323: revert methods now obey the edits_need_username option * clean up revertEditsBy, don't break with new pages Mail * #1256: handle mailins with encodings other than utf8 * don't log body of mail-ins by default * #141 - Uploading a file causes an "edit" mailout now. (Sascha Welter) * also allow a 'Secure Maildrop Host' for sending mail (Sascha Welter, Encolpe Degoute) Feeds * no updates Issue tracking * yellow color to make open funded issues stand out * IssueTracker cleanups * #1334: make fuzzy urls work better with issue numbers * use html instead of stx page type when installing issue tracker as dtml pages, for a 4x speedup of the unit test on my system General * many code cleanups including imports, safe_hasattr, deprecation warnings, pyflakes warnings, tests * Replace hasattr() with safe_hasattr() everywhere. Problem with hasattr() is that it masks exceptions, which is known to be problematic. "Our" new safe_hasattr() is from http://www.zope.org/Collectors/Zope/742 - with thanks and credits to Dieter Maurer. (Sascha Welter) * #1365 use talsafe() on newname in /editform to avoid UnicodeDecodeError. This problem appeared in localized browsers only for some reason, but the fix likely is necessary for 2.10 too. (Sascha Welter) * #1339 - fixing text encoding for editform.pt textarea. (Sascha Welter) * #1330: a better fix for these unicode errors. Zope 2.10 expects TAL data to be unicode, older zopes do not. This can lead to many obscure unicode errors depending on your system locale, wiki content, cookies, phase of the moon etc. This fix aims to make all the standard templates robust against this. Wikis with old customized templates will still be vulnerable to this problem after upgrading to zope 2.10, until those templates are updated. * partial workaround for #1330 UnicodeDecodeError * Default wiki type is "basic" + added 'jpeg' fs templating. (Sascha Welter) * #1332 - fix for the fix + default wiki_type is "basic". We're now not trying to grab the REQUEST from self any more -- just doesn't make sense to me. Also we have now the default wiki_type as "basic". (Sascha Welter) * #1332 - make manage_addWiki more programmatic + test. We still grabbed the REQUEST and thus got a redirect at the 2nd chance. Now we're doing the same check as on the 1st test and also return the new id if we don't redirect. Added a test too. (Sascha Welter) * Recursively add files/folders on addWikiFromFs. This is used for "nautica" style templates. It's now possible to use templates e.g. from openwebdesign.org without having to "unroll" images into a flat structure. Also we now can set document titles and parents from the filesystem pages. (Sascha Welter) * #1331, #1186 - last_edit_date / creation_date timestamps now in ISO6801. We changed the timestamp format for last_edit_date and creation_date to conform to ISO8601, in order to save time zone information along with it. Special care is taken to upgrading old timestamps in Zope's DateTime's ISO() format. (Sascha Welter) * update stx code, may work better with zope 2.10 * revisionInfoFor -> revisionInfo * inPlone method Translations * no updates From Rusty Thu Sep 20 20:59:52 -0700 2007 From: Rusty Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 20:59:52 -0700 Subject: !WikiNameEscacpe is not working Message-ID: <[email protected]> I'm running zwiki 0.59.0 w/ !MoinMoin formatting and placing ! in front of a !WikiName is not escaping it. Anyone know what the problem is? All !WikiNames in this post have been escaped. From SimonMichael Fri Sep 21 06:31:10 -0700 2007 From: Simon Michael Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 06:31:10 -0700 Subject: !WikiNameEscape not working in moin page type Message-ID: <[email protected]> In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> You're right! Forwarded to the issue tracker. On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 20:59:53 -0700, Rusty <[email protected]> wrote: | > I'm running zwiki 0.59.0 w/ !MoinMoin formatting and placing ! in front | > of a !WikiName is not escaping it. Anyone know what the problem is? From simon Mon Sep 24 22:53:31 -0700 2007 From: simon Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:53:31 -0700 Subject: make pages more indexable Message-ID: <[email protected]> Zwiki has a standard feature designed to prevent wiki spam being indexed (which tends to make the wiki a spam magnet): pages edited within the last 24 hours have a noindex header. In other words, a 24-hour cool-off period before indexing can take place. Via baijum, I heard of a complaint from mgedmin about the zope3 wiki not being google friendly due to the noindex header. Thinking about it, the 24 hour rule seems to have an obvious problem that an actively-edited page might never get indexed! I'm guessing that mgedmin saw page not appearing in google as quickly as he expected. I think we have higher expectations of the speed of search indexing nowadays. So I've turned off that feature for all wiki.zope.org wikis (by customizing the head.pt template). And I guess it needs to be dropped from Zwiki, as it seems to do a bit more harm than good. Tell me what you think. From simon Tue Sep 25 09:18:06 -0700 2007 From: simon Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 09:18:06 -0700 Subject: make pages more indexable Message-ID: <[email protected]> In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> Sent the patch to PatchDiscussion. And I guess I'll move this thread to the IssueTracker so we can find it in future. Poor old GeneralDiscussion! It's all happening elsewhere. From FrankLaurijssens Wed Sep 26 08:04:04 -0700 2007 From: FrankLaurijssens Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:04:04 -0700 Subject: On a lighter note Message-ID: <[email protected]> I'm going to use Zwiki again as a project tool, within Plone 3. From SimonMichael Wed Sep 26 10:56:08 -0700 2007 From: Simon Michael Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:56:08 -0700 Subject: On a lighter note Message-ID: <[email protected]> In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> Excellent news! It will be good to have another of us poking at zwiki in plone 3. From simon Fri Sep 28 09:55:00 -0700 2007 From: simon Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 09:55:00 -0700 Subject: restview Message-ID: <[email protected]> Just released: an offline rst viewer from Marius Gedminas, with python code highlighting. "Pass the name of a ReStructuredText document to restview, and it will launch a web server on localhost:random-port and open a web browser. Every time you reload the page, restview will reload the document from disk and render it. This is very convenient for previewing a document while you're editing it." http://mg.pov.lt/restview/ From betabug Tue Oct 9 22:41:40 -0700 2007 From: betabug Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 22:41:40 -0700 Subject: Problems submitting patches Message-ID: <[email protected]> Have tried to send in a few patches. Not sure where they should go now: - darcs wants to send them to patches@ by default, if I do that, nothing happens, they don't appear on PatchDiscussion - if I send them to zwiki-repo@, then I get a delivery failure message "Command died with status 2" From SimonMichael Wed Oct 10 08:17:26 -0700 2007 From: Simon Michael Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 08:17:26 -0700 Subject: Problems submitting patches Message-ID: <[email protected]> In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> > - darcs wants to send them to patches@ by default, if I do that, nothing happens, they don't appear on PatchDiscussion > We've resolve this for now. Sascha does darcs sends from a different email address, which needed to be subscribed somewhere in the wiki (we chose FrontPage so he wouldn't get duplicate comments). This shows that patch senders also need to be wiki subscribers before their patch will be seen. Hm. > - if I send them to zwiki-repo@, then I get a delivery failure message That address has been retired for the moment and shouldn't be used. From FrankLaurijssens Mon Oct 15 08:07:13 -0700 2007 From: FrankLaurijssens Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 08:07:13 -0700 Subject: I'm sorry Message-ID: <[email protected]> I couldn't help but add a few open issues. ;) From SimonMichael Thu Oct 18 07:45:44 -0700 2007 From: Simon Michael Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 07:45:44 -0700 Subject: cleanup Message-ID: <[email protected]> In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> PS I have been (re)learning about refactoring in python. This may be obvious, but what I'm doing is looking for big methods and trying to break them up. (I'd love a tool to print method lengtch stats, anyone ?) Also I'm trying to use more intention-revealing code. As we keep breaking things up into meaningful verbs we will end up with more of a DSL (domain specific language) which we can express things in with more reuse. Sometimes this means I add a line or two, to create a named variable to clarify the purpose. I don't mind that if it makes things clearer and more extractable. Next maybe I'll create a local function in the method, then sometimes I'll move that out to an instance method. A few of these are general functions and don't really need to be instance methods, but I leave them there for the time being just so they're nearby. I'm being a bit careful about method naming since I don't want to expose dangerous things in the public web api, those which need to be private I am prefixing with _ (not relying on docstrings because I want to provide those most of the time.) Right now the _ prefix is a bit inconsistent and distracts from free refactoring, we should probably either apply it consistently across everything, or make it so nothing is published by default and explicitly define which methods are public (I favour that). From SimonMichael Thu Oct 18 07:49:21 -0700 2007 From: Simon Michael Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 07:49:21 -0700 Subject: cleanup Message-ID: <[email protected]> In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> Oops, that was a followup to PatchDiscussion. If you're a GeneralDiscussion page subscriber and want to see more about the code, don't forget to subscribe over there too (or better, the whole wiki). From SimonMichael Thu Oct 18 07:53:59 -0700 2007 From: Simon Michael Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 07:53:59 -0700 Subject: cleanup Message-ID: <[email protected]> In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> PPS I'm doing this to make the code more fun to work on, and allow better progress on everything else (Unicode, testing, bugfixing etc.). Join in, it's fun! The main criteria for a refactoring or cleanup is that the tests pass before, you make the code clearer and probably shorter than before, without changing the behaviour, and the tests pass after. No refactoring is too small! -- forwarded from http://zwiki.org/GeneralDiscussion200710#[email protected]