[GeneralDiscussion] Re: zope/plone article

Morning..

> It would appear that it ignores replies unless subscribed ...

Correct! Sorry, it should return a bounce in this case. That's been on  
the todo list forever. (On the other hand, zwiki.org now handles many  
incoming spams per minute, so maybe silently dropping unknown mailins  
is best in the long run,  like qmail..)

>>> I'd personally absolutely love if the page URL showed the ZWiki page
>>> hierarchy. Much more SEO friendly in particular.

I still don't get the SEO argument, but I see you are finding Zwiki's  
page hierarchy mixed with plone's to be awkward, and I quite agree  
with that. Two different models jammed together, and each one alone  
already has enough to deal with; it's bound to be somewhat confusing.  
I believe this is in the issue tracker, new ideas would be useful  
there. The simplest thing is to hide and not use zwiki page hierarchy  
when in plone, ie just be a classic flat wiki by default. A lot of  
zwiki in plone users do seem to use zwiki page hierarchy though.

> I have been ploughing through the Zwiki source and page rendition
> certainly looks convoluted

You're right! Most folks don't trace through the whole process. The  
skins are a little contorted to achieve goals like: automatically  
using the plone skin when in plone; providing a simple consistent  
namespace for skin scripters; being able to customise anything with  
zodb or filesystem or built-in templates; and being as "live" as  
possible, ie reacting to template changes immediately at least in  
debug mode. These three goals were reached but the templates and  
styles need more cleanup and clarification. I'm working on that slowly.

> AFAICS, dtml is passed through untouched into the prerender output
> and is then executed *separately* i.e. AFTER the PageTypeRst  
> processing
> stage.

Correct. There are two rendering stages for a zwiki page. Pre- 
rendering is done when saving an edit. We do as much of the work here  
as possible. Final rendering is done on each page view; the most  
dynamic things (resolving wiki links, evaluating DTML) are done here.

Sorry, I ran out of time here. I'll try answer the rest later. I'm  
sure whatever it is can be done, it's just a matter of finding the  
right methods in ZWikiPage.py or rst.py.


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