Re: Fedora 40, Wayland, and ctwm

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"For now, I'm blissfully running Xorg as if
  it'll be with us for another 30 years, keeping my head firmly in the
  sand,"

I am right next to you, head buried just as firmly!

When Fedora 40 is out and supposedly doesn't offer Xorg X11 servers, I plan
to do a test to see what packages are installed when I install ctwm from
RPM Sphere and whether it will work.

On Wed, Feb 21, 2024 at 7:00=E2=80=AFPM Stefan Monnier <[email protected]=
al.ca>
wrote:

> > apps on your Wayland desktop.  So even if everything works right, ctwm
> > there could only ever manage those X windows, not the native Wayland
> > ones.  And if all the other clients you're running are X11 anyway,
> > then you wouldn't need to be running Wayland in the first place.
>
> That's a bit pessimistic: running Xwayland on top of Wayland does have
> the advantage (compared to running Xorg directly) that both Wayland and
> Xwayland are maintained.  So in the not-too-distant-future it may be the
> *only* way to go even if you use nothing else than X11 applications.
>
> [ IIUC, Xwayland has some significant shortcomings, but I can't
>   remember what they are.  For now, I'm blissfully running Xorg as if
>   it'll be with us for another 30 years, keeping my head firmly in the
>   sand, even tho most of my machines require an `xorg.conf` to turn off
>   UseGammaLUT otherwise the system freezes at startup, and there's no
>   movement on the corresponding Debian bug.  =F0=9F=99=81  ]
>
>
>         Stefan
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">&quot;For now, I&#39;m blissfully running Xorg as if<br>
=C2=A0 it&#39;ll be with us for another 30 years, keeping my head firmly in=
 the<br><div>
=C2=A0 sand,&quot;</div><div><br></div><div>I am right next to you, head bu=
ried just as firmly!</div><div><br></div><div>When Fedora 40 is out and sup=
posedly doesn&#39;t offer Xorg X11 servers, I plan to do a test to see what=
 packages are installed when I install ctwm from RPM Sphere and whether it =
will work.<br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" c=
lass=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Feb 21, 2024 at 7:00=E2=80=AFPM Stefan Monnier =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a=
>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px=
 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">&gt=
; apps on your Wayland desktop.=C2=A0 So even if everything works right, ct=
wm<br>
&gt; there could only ever manage those X windows, not the native Wayland<b=
r>
&gt; ones.=C2=A0 And if all the other clients you&#39;re running are X11 an=
yway,<br>
&gt; then you wouldn&#39;t need to be running Wayland in the first place.<b=
r>
<br>
That&#39;s a bit pessimistic: running Xwayland on top of Wayland does have<=
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the advantage (compared to running Xorg directly) that both Wayland and<br>
Xwayland are maintained.=C2=A0 So in the not-too-distant-future it may be t=
he<br>
*only* way to go even if you use nothing else than X11 applications.<br>
<br>
[ IIUC, Xwayland has some significant shortcomings, but I can&#39;t<br>
=C2=A0 remember what they are.=C2=A0 For now, I&#39;m blissfully running Xo=
rg as if<br>
=C2=A0 it&#39;ll be with us for another 30 years, keeping my head firmly in=
 the<br>
=C2=A0 sand, even tho most of my machines require an `xorg.conf` to turn of=
f<br>
=C2=A0 UseGammaLUT otherwise the system freezes at startup, and there&#39;s=
 no<br>
=C2=A0 movement on the corresponding Debian bug.=C2=A0 =F0=9F=99=81=C2=A0 ]=
<br>
<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Stefan<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div>

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