Re: [e-users] Could 'Places' module just be made part of main DE?

Hi

I don't receive raster's replies to my inbox, I seem to get everyone 
else's so something is amiss there. I could only see his most recent 
reply by reading it on SourceForge. Anyway I'm not going to cut and 
paste here. I think there has been some feathers ruffled and hyperbole 
on both sides and I will own my part. I asked about Places and what the 
thoughts were and all I expected was knowing 'the thoughts'.. By 
outlining the basis for the question with use cases for examples I was 
not intending to demand anything be done, I was simply trying to make it 
clear the reasons I would ask the opinion on such a thing. An answer of 
'no!' was never going to be a problem and simply saying "it's too much 
new code to introduce and babysit and I don't want to make time for 
that" also would answer the question and be an inarguable answer without 
needing to question or make assumptions about anything else. You're the 
King and it's your court, all understood!

Look, I'm a big fan of what you're doing and as long as I've been doing 
music production on Linux I've found ways to share the system I use 
because there is niche but keen interest out there in using Linux that 
way. I've never wanted to be a 'Distro', I'm not particularly 
intelligent or intuitive about code and I'm terrible at math.. I'm 
pragmatic, stubborn and don't quit easily and that gets me by. I think 
our views on this are completely different to the point of being 
incomprehensible to each other and I admittedly don't fully understand 
your world and the stresses it entails and how developers work and think 
and to be honest I don't think you really understand how a 'normie' 
approaches using Enlightenment especially if they've never used it 
before. When I first came to #e IRC I kind of thought maybe I could be 
some sort of a liason to see your side but also present the challenges 
of taking what you do and putting a turnkey version of it into the hands 
of a User for a dedicated purpose. Elive and Bodhi are not using your 
stuff directly so they look after the intermediate bits in their own 
ways. Most projects have this middle role, the Packager doesn't code the 
Desktop and the guy who generates the Ubuntu ISO images doesn't develop 
Gnome. There are multiple pieces connecting the Developer and the User 
and I understand clearly now that you are really not looking for that 
kind of 'help' or feedback so taking any emotional element out of it I'm 
wasting my time wasting your time with things you don't necessarily want 
or need to know about. Fair deal!

I may dabble in some E theme mods, I may pretty some things up with 
alternate graphics for my own purpose but I'm 56 and and I'm not 
suddenly going to develop an aptitude for something as complex as EFL 
code not am I going to step up and fill gaps in E's mortar with an 
approved EFL coded solution so as messy as getting here as been 
hopefully it's been valuable to understand each other to prevent a 
repeating pattern. I will try to be more mindful of where you're coming 
from and think before I ask and hopefully you can see that I have good 
will toward E as presenter of your work and I can make a pretty damn 
nice platter for it but anything beyond that is not my bag baby.. 
Whether that has value to you or not is not my call..

Can we meet there and put this unpleasantness to rest?

Best, Glen

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On 2025-01-24 14:38, Vincent Torri wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 24, 2025 at 7:19 PM <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> For some reason I didn't get the email with rasters original reply, I
>> wish I hadn't TBH... I didn't ask for any outside code or any other FM
>> to be added to E, it's raster's module! I also didn't specify that
>> 'Places' should be set up for any application outside of E so as 
>> things
>> are currently is adding Places would just augment the functions of EFM
>> and be ready for EFM 2. EFM currently is a wonderful file 'browser' 
>> but
>> if you're NOT a developer in the terminal all the time and you need
>> networking support, tabbed interfaces or mounting a phone/tablet 
>> without
>> writing your own jmptfs script then EFM is lacking as the primary FM 
>> if
>> this weren't true there wouldn't be EFM2 in the works. It's not like I
>> asked "hey can you put Thunar in E?" I asked if an existing module by
>> the same developer might be convenient since some Users of E and all
>> Users of Bodhi, eLive and now AV Linux are all using E with an 
>> external
>> File Manager.
>> 
>> I've spent 4 years with E, I've spent countless hours putting it into 
>> a
>> Live deployable state to get it in front of more eyes because I think
>> it's a great and overlooked DE. I'm not a developer, I work full time
>> and I steal minutes to do what I already do so raster if you're "not
>> going to just do things for people." and if "after many decades i'm 
>> kind
>> of a bit old, tired and grumpy. :) i've learned if i do things for
>> people they will NEVER get up and help. if you don't like get
>> up,something in efm - then contribute and fix it." I guess we're clear
>> on future discussions!
>> 
>> I wouldn't talk to my dog like that, it was a logical and sensible
>> question given how real people use E.. Given the established history
>> that I like E and am trying to do something creative with it to 
>> promote
>> it I can't imagine someone being spoken to like this anywhere else..
>> Developers of pretty much ANY other DE or application would (a) 
>> politely
>> take the question and (b) never tell the User to write their own part 
>> of
>> the applications as the FIRST reply, maybe after the 10th question or
>> after being unreasonably demanding for a period of time but not right
>> off the hop.
>> 
>> There's certainly no question you're brilliant, there's no question E
>> shows your brilliance but I have so many better things to do than get 
>> my
>> ass handed to me for asking an innocent question... I'm not in the DE
>> writing business and surprisingly other projects find people to be
>> useful even if they aren't developers. Enjoy the Ivory Tower!
> 
> raster is quite busy and doing almost everything on the EFL and E.
> That might explain his reaction.
> 
> But I know that he wants a distro with E 27.
> 
> Maybe wait a bit so that the situation calms down a bit ?
> 
> best regards
> 
> Vincent
> 
> 
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