Re: FVWM: Session management.

On Sun, 1 Oct 2017 13:43:06 +0100
Thomas Adam <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 01, 2017 at 12:52:22AM +0200, Didier Spaier wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I like very much FVWM, especially the ability it gives the user to
> > easily manage individually a big number of windows.
> > 
> > But I would like that the users of the Slint Linux distribution that
> > I maintain be able to save and restore their sessions.  
> 
> Unfortunately, this is not really something FVWM can help with these
> days. While FVWM does have good XSM support, a lot of the other DEs
> out there seem to have implemented their own idea of how to save the
> state of open windows, without there being a commonality across DEs
> and WMs.
> 
> FVWM used to have FvwmSave and FvwmSaveDesk, but I removed these as
> they were fundamentally broken.   They relied on the application
> setting WM_COMMAND which only a few applications bothered to set
> (mostly X11 applications) so that won't work with more recent
> applications.
> 
> So all in all, you're better off manually defining applications to
> start during StartFunction.
> 
> -- Thomas Adam
> 
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Thomas, thank you for the wonderful technical suport you provide for
the smaller FVWM user community.  I know a lot of new GNU/Linux users
are simply looking for a Microsoft/Apple OS replacement that might be
FOSS, but still want the "simply works and provides all the application
a normal desktop/laptop user would expect" type criteria.

I'm not one of those users.  I like to customize my desktop and FVWM
allows me to do that, thank you!  I do have a worry about FVWM going
forward though and the GNU/Linux distribution I'm using, Slackware.

It would seem that the other "major" DE's and application
developers aren't following the XSM standard from your comment and
instead are developing toward Wayland.  In your opinion Is that the case
or is it that systemd and Wayland are now supporting the application
window and session management? Inquiring newbie minds would like to
know, because at some point I believe FVWM will need to address the
Wayland Server integration issue and would that then support session
management?  In other words, is it true that FVWM development has
decided to not develop with Wayland in mind, or is it a matter of the
GNU/Linux distribution will need to provide the Wayland server with X
support so that FVWM will continue to function?  Or is FVWM going to
take the approach of Lumina and try to make the calls to hardware
directly, bypassing X and Wayland servers?

Thanks
Pax tecum, absit iniuria;
BrianA_MN

Addendum:
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