Re: FVWM: deprecated? placing firestorm windows?

On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 11:20:37AM +0200, Stefan Blachmann wrote:
> On 8/24/18, hw <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> > But that doesn??t work either, the windows are placed on top of each
> > other again.  With !UsePPosition alone, I get the windows placed as I
> > want it, but it means Firefox is moving them rather than that fvwm
> > places them.
> 
> Yes, FF creates its windows with the size given in sessionrestore.js,
> *then* moves, retitles and paints them.
                ^^^^^^^^

If that is the case, styles may not match the newly created
windows.  Could you provide some list of events that are generated
in relation to the output of

  bugopts explainwindowplacement

?  Maybe we could "preview" events that rename a window that is
just being created.  But I'd need some kind of test case for that.
Ideally just a simple application that does the same thing that
Firefox does in a reliable way.

> On 8/25/18, Dominik Vogt <[email protected]> wrote:
> > It actually is possible.  Sort of.  If the application claims that
> > a requested position is "user specified" instead of "program
> > specified", the window manager has no way of knowing that the user
> > did not ask for it.  Nowadays many programs abuse this hint to
> > override the window manager - in clear violation of the
> > communication rules set in the ICCCM2 standard.
> 
> Well, Firefox is correct if it says "user specified" position, as
> *you* probably were the one who originally specified it by moving the
> window.

No.  The windows may have been placed automatically by the window
manager, and still the application claims the position is "user
specified".  It's just a lame excuse that I've read many times.
Unless the user explicitly selected an option "restore window
position" or similar, the position is program specified.

Ciao

Dominik ^_^  ^_^

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Dominik Vogt