Re: FVWM: deprecated? placing firestorm windows?

On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 09:30:14PM +0200, hw wrote:
> Dominik Vogt <[email protected]> writes:
> 
> > On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 10:58:51PM +0200, hw wrote:
> >> Stefan Blachmann <[email protected]> writes:
> >> > I was annoyed and looked into that.
> >> > session[re]store.js is a *horrible* mess of code, and to understand
> >> > its workings, I just disabled the screen bounds check where
> >> > sessionrestore creates the windows from the data in the
> >> > sessionrestore.js file and wrote a script that just corrects the
> >> > coordinates in the sessionrestore.js file, so that Firefox restores as
> >> > it should.
> >> > So I could just run the firepox script, after that run FF, it should
> >> > restore the windows where they originally were.
> >> >
> >> > The script might be outdated for new FF versions, as the
> >> > sessionrestore code was changed again in the meantime, introducing
> >> > again random placement of restored windows.
> >> > But reading it might give you some insight of the workings in the
> >> > sessionrestore.js files.
> >> >
> >> > It is on github together with a small intro, here:
> >> > https://github.com/kernschmelze/firepox
> >> 
> >> Thanks!  I think it must not be possible at all for a program that
> >> creates windows to override the very window manager that manages the
> >> windows.
> >
> > It actually is possible.  Sort of.  If the application claims that
> > a requested position is "user specified" instead of "program
> > specified", the window manager has no way of knowing that the user
> > did not ask for it.  Nowadays many programs abuse this hint to
> > override the window manager - in clear violation of the
> > communication rules set in the ICCCM2 standard.
> 
> That's not overriding the window manager, it's overriding what the user
> wants.
> 
> IIUC, I explicitly told the window manager to ignore what the program
> tries to do about the placement of the windows it creates, and yet the
> window manager still allows the program to do (part of) what it wants
> rather than what I told the window manager to do about the window
> placement.
> 
> So either the window manager is ignoring what I'm telling it to do, or
> the program is able to override the window manager, or both.

That's exactly what I wrote.  The window manager cannot know that
the application lies about the user's wish.  The situation is
impossible to detect.

> Either way, what I??m telling the computer to do is being overridden, and
> that is not acceptable.

Yeah.  These applications are annyoing me as much as they are
annoying you.

Ciao

Dominik ^_^  ^_^

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Dominik Vogt