Re: Main window's focus with active transient

Am 2008-05-21 08:30 +0000 schrieb Tuomo Valkonen:
> > When the application is tiled, I can switch focus back to it with mouse
> > but not type keys to it.
> 
> If you can't type in it, you can't switch focus to it.. unless the

May be I was misleaded by the fact, that the color of the titlebar keeps
color style of focused frame but in the frame the transient does not
give focus away though.

> application is itself refusing the input. Focus means keyboard input,

Thats not the case here, this works fine in float mode.

> although some toolkits also expect the pointer to be in the field and
> indicate that.

Yes :-) Even more annoying this is.

> I consider all transients modal. They're _transient_ windows, after

But not in float mode, right? In float mode of these Application the
DRC-Error Box is above the Main Application though, but I can move back
to Main Window and type keys into it then.

When i invoke the application in float mode and activate the DRC-Error
toolbox and tag main application and attach it to a new tiled frame, 
still I can input keys into main application and use the tool box.

Only when invoked from tiled mode this tool box seems to not give 
keyboard focus away. I realize now in order to poke around with xprops.
This is what me annoys a bit since the "not not givefocus away" is my
desired behaviour...

Before there is misunderstanding on my side, is this a transient?
tool box involed in float mode:

_NET_WM_STATE(ATOM) =
WM_STATE(WM_STATE):
                window state: Normal
                icon window: 0x0
_NET_WM_NAME(UTF8_STRING) = 0x44, 0x52, 0x43, 0x20, 0x45, 0x72, 0x72, 0x6f, 0x72
, 0x73
WM_CLIENT_LEADER(WINDOW): window id # 0x1400008
WM_WINDOW_ROLE(STRING) = "Dialog.Errors"
_NET_WM_PID(CARDINAL) = 3466
_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE(ATOM) = _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_DIALOG, _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_NORM
AL
WM_PROTOCOLS(ATOM): protocols  WM_DELETE_WINDOW, WM_TAKE_FOCUS, _NET_WM_PING, _N
ET_WM_CONTEXT_HELP
WM_NAME(STRING) = "DRC Errors"
WM_LOCALE_NAME(STRING) = "en_US.UTF-8"
WM_CLASS(STRING) = "eagle", "eagle"
WM_HINTS(WM_HINTS):
                Client accepts input or input focus: True
                Initial state is Normal State.
                bitmap id # to use for icon: 0x1400268
                bitmap id # of mask for icon: 0x1400269
                window id # of group leader: 0x140026b
WM_NORMAL_HINTS(WM_SIZE_HINTS):
                user specified location: 738, 269
                program specified location: 738, 269
                user specified size: 323 by 443
                program specified size: 323 by 443
                program specified minimum size: 175 by 133
                window gravity: NorthWest
WM_CLIENT_MACHINE(STRING) = "elektra"
WM_TRANSIENT_FOR(WINDOW): window id # 0x140026b

invoked in tiled mode:

WM_STATE(WM_STATE):
                window state: Normal
                icon window: 0x0
_NET_WM_STATE(ATOM) =
WM_ICON_NAME(STRING) = "untitled.brd"
_NET_WM_NAME(UTF8_STRING) = 0x31, 0x20, 0x42, 0x6f, 0x61, 0x72, 0x64, 0x20, 0x2d, 0x20, 0x2f, 0x68, 0x6f, 0x6d, 0x65, 0x2f, 0x6b, 0x6f, 0x6e, 0x73, 0x74, 0x69, 0x2f, 0x75, 0x6e, 0x74, 0x69, 0x74, 0x6c, 0x65, 0x64, 0x2e, 0x62, 0x72, 0x64, 0x20, 0x2d, 0x20, 0x45, 0x41, 0x47, 0x4c, 0x45, 0x20, 0x34, 0x2e, 0x31, 0x36, 0x72, 0x32, 0x20, 0x50, 0x72, 0x6f, 0x66, 0x65, 0x73, 0x73, 0x69, 0x6f, 0x6e, 0x61, 0x6c
XdndAware(ATOM) = ATOM
_MOTIF_DRAG_RECEIVER_INFO(_MOTIF_DRAG_RECEIVER_INFO) = 0x6c, 0x0, 0x5, 0x8, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x10, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0
_QT_SIZEGRIP(WINDOW): window id # 0x1400275
WM_CLIENT_LEADER(WINDOW): window id # 0x1400008
WM_WINDOW_ROLE(STRING) = "unnamed"
_NET_WM_PID(CARDINAL) = 3466
_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE(ATOM) = _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_NORMAL
WM_PROTOCOLS(ATOM): protocols  WM_DELETE_WINDOW, WM_TAKE_FOCUS, _NET_WM_PING
WM_NAME(STRING) = "1 Board - /home/konsti/untitled.brd - EAGLE 4.16r2 Professional"
WM_LOCALE_NAME(STRING) = "en_US.UTF-8"
WM_CLASS(STRING) = "eagle", "eagle"
WM_HINTS(WM_HINTS):
                Client accepts input or input focus: True
                Initial state is Normal State.
                bitmap id # to use for icon: 0x1400268
                bitmap id # of mask for icon: 0x1400269
WM_NORMAL_HINTS(WM_SIZE_HINTS):
                program specified minimum size: 263 by 161
                window gravity: NorthWest
WM_CLIENT_MACHINE(STRING) = "elektra"

Semi-PS.:
Such Dialogs invoked in tiled frames are strechted about the horizontal
width completely, can this be switched off somewhere?

> all. Separate _toolbox windows_ -- which are in themselves a fundamental 
> design flaw -- should not be marked as transient. 

I agree completely, this is a rotten mess...

> client in the current frame. The 'float' winprop might do something more
> useful. Maybe some of the scripts in the scripts repository also did 
> something useful; check it. 

Nice Idea, I woll check this area for something like this now.

> It is also possible to put windows managed in the group of a main window 
> on a non-modal stacking level. This will, however, require a custom
> clientwin_do_manage_alt hook handler or an attach script, as it is only
> possible to set the stacking level from a WMPlex.attach[_new] call. 
> (Levels starting from 1024 are modal.) Maybe someone can write a script...

This also sounds useful and I am interested getting a point to look at
where and how to start such a script :-)

Kind Regards, Konsti


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