Re: so, what now?

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On Tue, 6 Apr 2010, M Rawash wrote:

> On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 16:29 -0400, Benjamin R. Haskell wrote:
> > On Tue, 6 Apr 2010, M Rawash wrote:
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> > > On Mon, 2010-04-05 at 23:43 -0400, Timandahaf wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 5 Apr 2010, M Rawash wrote:
> > > > > now that tuomov has finally severed his last remaining connecti=
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> > > > > with ion, what do we (committed ion users) do now?
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> > > > First, thanks for starting this thread! I did notice that Tuomov'=
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> > > > pages were down, but since his whole site was down, I was waiting=
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> > > > for it to come back without realizing he might have taken the who=
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> > > > project down.  Quick question: do we know for sure Tuomov has=20
> > > > severed connections with ion3 permanently or is this our best gue=
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> > > > at this point?
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> > > It's a pretty solid guess...
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> > Tuomo responded to an email on this list on March 22.  Maybe he's jus=
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> > on vacation.   He's complained often about the lack of good, simple w=
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> > hosting.
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> Tuomo's website 404'd, the rest of the (host) website and all the other
> accounts look pretty fine to me, doesn't seem like a problem with the
> host at all (although it's still possible).

Bad choice of words on my part: by 'web hosting', I didn't mean the=20
server -- I meant the software, e.g.:

http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg03126.html
Ikiwiki replacement etc. - Tuomo Valkonen
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I will have to replace Ikiwiki as the Ion site generator, since it fails=20
to work under Cygwin. [...]
"""


> >  Seems slightly hasty to not wait to hear from the man himself that=20
> >  the project is "abandoned"-abandoned (as opposed to "I've switched=20
> >  to Windows, and don't plan to support this").
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> i believe forking was already on a lot of people's minds for some time=20
> now (as somebody else mentioned), the fact that the website is no=20
> longer available merely served as a motivation.

Yep.  Seems reasonable, despite Fake Tuomo's proclamations (ha).


> > > > ion3 has been my primary environment for a while now, and I=20
> > > > won't consider changing. I love its design, philosophy, and=20
> > > > simplicity, but I'm preaching to the choir here.
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> > > > I'm all for forking into /one/ fork, and that too only because=20
> > > > of the licensing issue--please lets not make multiple messy=20
> > > > forks. Like a few of you, I don't have much time either right=20
> > > > now, but expect to be able to contribute a more a few months=20
> > > > down the line. But I can contribute towards getting us going=20
> > > > right now if needed.
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> > Personally, I don't understand everyone's reluctance to even=20
> > consider changing.
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> not true, i suggest you dig deeper into this thread...

You're right of course.  s/everyone's/some people's/


> > Ion's great 'n all, but without extremely committed=20
> > leadership, there doesn't seem to be much point to forking.  (Either =
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> > will remain the useful tool it is and only get bugfixes, or it'll bit=
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> > completely.)  Why not branch out and get other similar-minded window=20
> > managers (under active development) to incorporate some of what you l=
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> > about ion?
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> now why didn't 'we' think of that?

Not sure if that's sarcastic.  Doesn't make sense if it is.  My point=20
was that moving on might be more fruitful than treading water.


> i believe anybody who could have left has already done so. so...

Touch=C3=A9.

Guess I'll go back to lurking.  (I'm only still here for the occasional=20
Tuomo rant.)


> > Guessing that won't be a popular sentiment, but whatever.  Not=20
> > trying to completely discourage anyone -- just adding my $.02.
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> we're ion users, we are used to unpopular sentiments; we should get a=20
> prise or something.

Also a good point.

As before, best of luck.

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Ben
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