Re: Experienced ASP.NET Developer in Minneapolis

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I agree. When I searched using my name, the first one came up for a guy
in some school in India who shares same name as mine. As my name is
quite common in Indian context, it just confuses everything ... Second
result was okay (a article that was published in xmlmag) and so as 3rd
and fourth.=20

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I just don't think googling is fair ... why the recruiters can't trust
on resume's ? Usually everybody put urls nowadays ... aren't they?

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-----Original Message-----
From: Unmoderated DOTNET job forum
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Grant Killian
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 1:17 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [DOTNET-JOBS] Experienced ASP.NET Developer in Minneapolis

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Sorry to post to all . . . but I just can't pass this up.  My name is

Grant Killian, and by googling my name the first result is:

http://dotnetjunkies.com/weblog/grant.killian

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This seesm fine.

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The sixth result, however, is:=20

http://www.killiangrant.com

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The coincidences are disturbing.  Apparently both Killian Grant and

Grant Killian[myself] grew up in Wheat Ridge, Colorado and we both work

in IT.  No offense intended to Killian Grant, but I would hate for a

potential employer to mistake me for this person based on a google

search -- make sure you are reviewing information on your candidate and

not just somebody with a similar name!

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-----Original Message-----

From: Shah, Uttam [mailto:[email protected]]=20

Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 1:11 PM

To: [email protected]

Subject: Re: [DOTNET-JOBS] Experienced ASP.NET Developer in Minneapolis

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Wow, when I enter my name in google, i get to see a lot of what I have

done

in the past. Its amazing.

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Jeff, what keywords do you use while google people?

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-----Original Message-----

From: Jeff M. [mailto:[email protected]]

Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:04 AM

To: [email protected]

Subject: Re: [DOTNET-JOBS] Experienced ASP.NET Developer in Minneapolis

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its nothing really, just searching the web for name, email address,

etc... I

use this if get a resume that claims to be very high level.  i got one a

few

days ago from someone teaching asp.net classes to college students. I

found

some info about this person on the web regarding a recent project they

worked on, which told me their true experiences and i immediately set

this

in my "review as a last resort" pile.

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>From: "Shah, Uttam" <[email protected]>

>Reply-To: Unmoderated DOTNET job forum

<[email protected]>

>To: [email protected]

>Subject: Re: [DOTNET-JOBS] Experienced ASP.NET Developer in Minneapolis

>Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:40:04 -0700

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>Just curious, how do you google people? is there a special search on

>google?

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>-----Original Message-----

>From: Jeff M. [mailto:[email protected]]

>Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:34 AM

>To: [email protected]

>Subject: Re: [DOTNET-JOBS] Experienced ASP.NET Developer in Minneapolis

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>I agree. I have hired two people in the passed two months and its

really

>not

>that difficult to find qualified people. All you need to do is post to

a

>few

>of the lists out there and be clear on what you are looking for. Sure

you

>will get some who are not qualified (some what so ever), but these are

>usually obvious by searching the resume for key words and based on that

you

>will know immediately.  I also google people quite often, which usually

>provides the "maker or beaker" decision.  For me personally, I would

rather

>spend a few extra minutes up front to avoid some times ludicrous

markups

>that recruiters would add onto it. This is also necessary sometimes

when

>getting resumes from recruiters.  I think you also get better service

when

>going direct because the developer has more incentive to make a better

>impression.

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>Lastly, it always brightens my day when I get a call from a recruiter

>trying

>to fill a position doing "Sequel" and ASP.Net programming and they have

no

>clue that asp.net is not a programming language, and are clueless on

what

>"Sequal" is.

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>I think recruiters need to realize that these days they are not as

valuable

>as they used to be.  Sure there are some big companies that are set in

>there

>ways and won't do business unless its through one of their "preferred

>vendors" but being a consultant working for one of these at one point,

they

>really aren't getting much other then some insurance which anyone can

get

>these days.

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>Just my two cents.....

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> >From: "Brown, Peter" <[email protected]>

> >Reply-To: Unmoderated DOTNET job forum

<[email protected]>

> >To: [email protected]

> >Subject: Re: [DOTNET-JOBS] Experienced ASP.NET Developer in

Minneapolis

> >Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:16:22 -0500

> >

> >Oddly enough, many of the resumes sent to me by recruiters in the

past

>have

> >been padded or otherwise unqualified.

> >

> >Pete

> >

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> >

> >-----Original Message-----

> >From: Unmoderated DOTNET job forum

>[mailto:[email protected]]

> >On Behalf Of Jeremy J. Thornton

> >Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 10:33 AM

> >To: [email protected]

> >Subject: Re: Experienced ASP.NET Developer in Minneapolis

> >

> >just a quick follow up.  Scott and I have 6 .net developers finishing

up

>a

> >the

> >end of the year.  I would imagine you will get a lot of response but

I

> >would be

> >surprise if most were even qualified.  Welcome to my world of

recruiting

>:)

> >

> >Jeremy

> >

> >John Lomnciki wrote:

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<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>I
agree. When I searched using my name, the first one came up for a guy in =
some
school in India who shares same name as mine. As my name is quite common =
in
Indian context, it just confuses everything &#8230; Second result was =
okay (a
article that was published in xmlmag) and so as 3<sup>rd</sup> and =
fourth. </span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>I
just don&#8217;t think googling is fair &#8230; why the recruiters =
can&#8217;t
trust on resume&#8217;s ? Usually everybody put urls nowadays &#8230; =
aren&#8217;t
they?</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
From: Unmoderated DOTNET job forum =
[mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Grant Killian<br>
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 1:17 PM<br>
To: [email protected]<br>
Subject: Re: [DOTNET-JOBS] Experienced ASP.NET Developer in =
Minneapolis</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Sorry
to post to all . . . but I just can't pass this up.&nbsp; My name =
is</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Grant
Killian, and by googling my name the first result is:</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>http://dotnetjunkies.com/weblog/grant.killian<=
/span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>This
seesm fine.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>The
sixth result, however, is: </span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>http://www.killiangrant.com</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>The
coincidences are disturbing.&nbsp; Apparently both Killian Grant =
and</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Grant
Killian[myself] grew up in Wheat Ridge, Colorado and we both =
work</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>in
IT.&nbsp; No offense intended to Killian Grant, but I would hate for =
a</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>potential
employer to mistake me for this person based on a =
google</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>search
-- make sure you are reviewing information on your candidate =
and</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>not
just somebody with a similar name!</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>-----Original
Message-----</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>From:
Shah, Uttam [mailto:[email protected]] </span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Sent:
Thursday, December 11, 2003 1:11 PM</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>To:
[email protected]</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Subject:
Re: [DOTNET-JOBS] Experienced ASP.NET Developer in =
Minneapolis</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Wow,
when I enter my name in google, i get to see a lot of what I =
have</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>done</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>in
the past. Its amazing.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Jeff,
what keywords do you use while google people?</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>-----Original
Message-----</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>From:
Jeff M. [mailto:[email protected]]</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Sent:
Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:04 AM</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>To:
[email protected]</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Subject:
Re: [DOTNET-JOBS] Experienced ASP.NET Developer in =
Minneapolis</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>its
nothing really, just searching the web for name, email =
address,</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>etc...
I</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>use
this if get a resume that claims to be very high level.&nbsp; i got one =
a</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>few</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>days
ago from someone teaching asp.net classes to college students. =
I</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>found</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>some
info about this person on the web regarding a recent project =
they</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>worked
on, which told me their true experiences and i immediately =
set</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>this</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>in
my &quot;review as a last resort&quot; pile.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;From:
&quot;Shah, Uttam&quot; =
&lt;[email protected]&gt;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Reply-To:
Unmoderated DOTNET job forum</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&lt;[email protected]&gt;</span>=
</font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;To:
[email protected]</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Subject:
Re: [DOTNET-JOBS] Experienced ASP.NET Developer in =
Minneapolis</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Date:
Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:40:04 -0700</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Just
curious, how do you google people? is there a special search =
on</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;google?</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;-----Original
Message-----</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;From:
Jeff M. [mailto:[email protected]]</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Sent:
Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:34 AM</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;To:
[email protected]</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Subject:
Re: [DOTNET-JOBS] Experienced ASP.NET Developer in =
Minneapolis</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;I
agree. I have hired two people in the passed two months and =
its</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>really</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;not</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;that
difficult to find qualified people. All you need to do is post =
to</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>a</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;few</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;of
the lists out there and be clear on what you are looking for. =
Sure</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>you</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;will
get some who are not qualified (some what so ever), but these =
are</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;usually
obvious by searching the resume for key words and based on =
that</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>you</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;will
know immediately.&nbsp; I also google people quite often, which =
usually</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;provides
the &quot;maker or beaker&quot; decision.&nbsp; For me personally, I =
would</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>rather</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;spend
a few extra minutes up front to avoid some times =
ludicrous</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>markups</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;that
recruiters would add onto it. This is also necessary =
sometimes</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>when</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;getting
resumes from recruiters.&nbsp; I think you also get better =
service</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>when</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;going
direct because the developer has more incentive to make a =
better</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;impression.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Lastly,
it always brightens my day when I get a call from a =
recruiter</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;trying</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;to
fill a position doing &quot;Sequel&quot; and ASP.Net programming and =
they have</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>no</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;clue
that asp.net is not a programming language, and are clueless =
on</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>what</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&quot;Sequal&quot;
is.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;I
think recruiters need to realize that these days they are not =
as</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>valuable</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;as
they used to be.&nbsp; Sure there are some big companies that are set =
in</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;there</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;ways
and won't do business unless its through one of their =
&quot;preferred</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;vendors&quot;
but being a consultant working for one of these at one =
point,</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>they</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;really
aren't getting much other then some insurance which anyone =
can</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>get</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;these
days.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;Just
my two cents.....</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;
&gt;From: &quot;Brown, Peter&quot; =
&lt;[email protected]&gt;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;
&gt;Reply-To: Unmoderated DOTNET job forum</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&lt;[email protected]&gt;</span>=
</font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;
&gt;To: [email protected]</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;
&gt;Subject: Re: [DOTNET-JOBS] Experienced ASP.NET Developer =
in</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Minneapolis</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;
&gt;Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:16:22 -0500</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;
&gt;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;
&gt;Oddly enough, many of the resumes sent to me by recruiters in =
the</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>past</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;have</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;
&gt;been padded or otherwise unqualified.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;
&gt;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;
&gt;Pete</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;
&gt;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;
&gt;------------------------------------------------------------------</s=
pan></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;
&gt; Pete Brown - Lead Systems Architect, MCAD.Net, MCSD =
5,6</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;
&gt; Personal Site : http://www.irritatedVowel.com</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (wallpaper, games, .net, model railroading, =
birds, photography)</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;
&gt;------------------------------------------------------------------</s=
pan></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;
&gt; Be sure to check out www.vb-faq.com and =
www.codehound.com</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;
&gt;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;
&gt;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;
&gt;-----Original Message-----</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;
&gt;From: Unmoderated DOTNET job forum</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;[mailto:[email protected]]</=
span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;
&gt;On Behalf Of Jeremy J. Thornton</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;
&gt;Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 10:33 AM</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;
&gt;To: [email protected]</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;
&gt;Subject: Re: Experienced ASP.NET Developer in =
Minneapolis</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;
&gt;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;
&gt;just a quick follow up.&nbsp; Scott and I have 6 .net developers =
finishing</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>up</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;a</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;
&gt;the</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;
&gt;end of the year.&nbsp; I would imagine you will get a lot of =
response but</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>I</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;
&gt;would be</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;
&gt;surprise if most were even qualified.&nbsp; Welcome to my world =
of</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>recruiting</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;:)</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;
&gt;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;
&gt;Jeremy</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;
&gt;</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&gt;
&gt;John Lomnciki wrote:</span></font></p>

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