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Hi Chris,
Thanks for the feedback.
You are right that trying to support XP is becoming a futile exercise,
specially since MS itself is sabotaging it. We'll see. If I can find an xp
laptop I may give it another try.
Dimitris
On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 12:15 PM, [email protected] [gui4cli] <
[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Dimitris,
>
> Thanks for your attempts to fix the Windows XP issue. It initially works
> now
> but there are several issues. I tried it on the example guis. Some work
> but Gui4Cli crashes on most of them when loaded. Some of the working guis
> crash when certain options are chosen and all crash on exit. Gui4Cli itse=
lf
> also crashes when I right-click on the taskbar icon. SciED runs but refus=
es
> to load guis on drop and crashes when I try to open the load dialog.
> I have the VC++ 2013 redistributable installed.
>
> Having in mind that you cannot test it yourself on XP anymore, I guess it
> will save you a lot of trouble to consider XP as a passed station and set
> the minimum Gui4Cli requirements to Windows 7.
>
> I would advice potential users that are still on Windows XP to install
> "G4C_19_38_FULL.exe" and replace the Gui4Cli executable and dll with
> version 19.40. That offers already a wealth of features and options :)
>
> For me version 19.42 (with the small "asInvoker" change) works fine on
> Windows 7. I didn't test the new features yet but al my existing guis
> work as before. I use the same basic 19.38 install there and only
> replaced the 19.40 executable for 19.42.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Chris
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <gui4cli@...> wrote :
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> Since I don't have an XP laptop handy, try this version:
> http://gui4cli.com/Gui4Cli-test.exe
>
> Apparently the problem is caused by MS trying to do away with XP. They
> have set the default configuration in Visual Studio 2013 (which I use) to
> use new include files which are not compatible with XP. To use XP you hav=
e
> to change this and define yourself whatever new defines you want to use.
> They don't tell you this - you have to find it out by searching through
> really boring articles written in "coder-speak".
>
> Hope it works
>
> Dimitris
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:27 PM, chris.kevany@... [gui4cli] <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> I use the same zip download on Win XP and Win 7. On Win 7 it does fine.
>
> I used an old program called "FileAlyzer" to compare 19.40 and 19.42 and
> in the PE header
> I see this difference for 19.40 vs. 19.42;
>
> OS version (major): 0005
> OS version (minor): 0001
> Image version (major): 0000
> Image version (minor): 0000
> Sub system version (major): 0005
> Sub system version (minor): 0001
>
> OS version (major): 0006
> OS version (minor): 0000
> Image version (major): 0000
> Image version (minor): 0000
> Sub system version (major): 0006
> Sub system version (minor): 0000
>
> Could that perhaps causes the issue?
>
> I also can read from that analysis that there are 5 more imports from
> kernel32
> and 1 more import from user32, compared to 19.40. All others seems the
> same.
>
> Chris
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <gui4cli@...> wrote :
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> Just to get the obvious out of the way - make sure the exe file was
> properly downloaded and is not corrupt in some way and that the same file
> runs in win 7 and above.
>
> Other than that, it could be some function that was new in win 7. I get
> pointers to all new functions (after win 98) by inquiring for them at
> startup and use them only if they exist. Maybe there is one that got away=
...
>
> Thanks - Dimitris
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 5:54 PM, chris.kevany@... [gui4cli] <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> No! Just a simple message box with the program name as title. Same as whe=
n
> you
> try to run a 64-bit application on a 32-bit OS.
>
> In a hex dump of the header, it still looks normal, starting with MZ and
> the usual
> "This program cannot be run in DOS mode." stuff.
>
> Chris
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <gui4cli@...> wrote :
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> Does it mention anything else (in the dialogue title, etc)
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 11:54 AM, chris.kevany@... [gui4cli] <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Dimitris,
>
> I changed the manifest of version 19.42 to "asInvoker" with resHacker and
> drag/drop woks fine
> in Windows 7 (I have no higher windows version running to try).
>
> From version 19.41 up, Gui4Cli seems to be lost for Windows XP users. At
> launch I get a
> WIndows message like "This is not a valid win32 application".
>
> Chris
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <gui4cli@...> wrote :
>
> Just an update - the default in the manifest is "asInvoker", ie whatever
> you choose in the compatibility tab of the file properties dialog. I had
> changed it in the manifest for some reason I can't remember and it ran in
> administrator mode no matter what you set in the compatibility tab. I fix=
ed
> it now, so that you can choose.
>
> Still, for drag and drop to work, gui4cli must not be run in
> administration mode, because the shell (desktop, file explorer etc) are r=
un
> in non-administrator mode, so drag and drop between them is forbidden.
>
> Looks like overkill from MS.
>
> Dimitris
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 10:00 PM, GC Gui4Cli <gui4cli@...> wrote:
>
> hi Fer,
>
> You were right - its the security measures.
>
> After trying some desperate moves I read in forums, I found that all you
> had to do was change a setting in the project properties (I use VSE13), s=
o
> the linker sets the "requestedExecutionLevel" in the manifest file to
> "asInvoker" instead of "requireAdministrator" which is the default.
>
> I don't know what other repercussions this may have so I'll try it for a
> while.
>
> What I don't understand is what kind of security this provides if someone
> can just bypass it so easily.
>
> Dimitris
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 4:33 PM, GC Gui4Cli <gui4cli@...> wrote:
>
> I think its probably to do with that, but its something I did, not a
> system setting, because drag and drop works up to version 19.39, then
> suddenly stops after version 19.40.
>
> Maybe some compiler setting... The problem is that it doesn't react at
> all, not even when I look with the debugger, like I didn't register the
> interfaces, which I know I did because I can see them working within g4c.
> Makes it difficult to find because I don't know where to start :(
>
> Dimitris
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 3:58 PM, fmstoopman@... [gui4cli] <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Dimitris,
>
>
> The drag/drop problem is caused by the extreme security measures
>
> of windows 10. You have to disable user account control completely.
>
> So not only setting the user account control slider to a minimum (which
>
> used to work fine on XP and Win7) but also setting enableLUA in the
>
> registry to 0 (default 1). The key is:
>
> HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Currentversion\Policies\System
>
> The big problem with this that you cannot advise this to your users
>
> because you don't know what the exact consequences are when
>
> disabling UAC completely. One thing I do know is that you have to
>
> restart your PC to let the change take effect. Bad enough.
>
>
> Maybe one day M$ will come to their senses.
>
>
> fer
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Chris,<div><br></div><div>Thanks for the feedback.=C2=
=A0</div><div><br></div><div>You are right that trying to support XP is bec=
oming a futile exercise, specially since MS itself is sabotaging it. We'=
;ll see. If I can find an xp laptop I may give it another try.</div><div><b=
r></div><div>Dimitris=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at=
12:15 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]=
</a> [gui4cli] <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:gui4cli@yahoogroups.=
com" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>></span> wrote:<br><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #=
ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Hi Dimitris,<br><br>Thanks for your attempts to fix the Windows XP=
issue. It initially works now<br>but there are several issues. I tried it =
on the example guis. Some work<br>but Gui4Cli crashes on most of them when =
loaded. Some of the working guis<br>crash when certain options are chosen a=
nd all crash on exit. Gui4Cli itself<br>also crashes when I right-click on =
the taskbar icon. SciED runs but refuses<br>to load guis on drop and crashe=
s when I try to open the load dialog.<br>I have the VC++ 2013 redistributab=
le installed.<br><br>Having in mind that you cannot test it yourself on XP =
anymore, I guess it<br>will save you a lot of trouble to consider XP as a p=
assed station and set<br>the minimum Gui4Cli requirements to Windows 7.<br>=
<br>I would advice potential users that are still on Windows XP to install<=
br>"G4C_19_38_FULL.exe" and replace the Gui4Cli executable and dl=
l with<br>version 19.40. That offers already a wealth of features and optio=
ns :)<br><br>For me version 19.42 (with the small "asInvoker" cha=
nge) works fine on<br>Windows 7. I didn't test the new features yet but=
al my existing guis<br>work as before. I use the same basic 19.38 install =
there and only<br>replaced the 19.40 executable for 19.42.<br><br>Thanks ag=
ain,<br><br>Chris <br></p><div><br><br>---In <a href=3D"mailto:gui4cli@yaho=
ogroups.com" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>, <gui4cli@...=
> wrote :<br><br><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Chris,<div><br></div><span cla=
ss=3D""><div>Since I don't have an XP laptop handy, try this version:</=
div><div><a rel=3D"nofollow" href=3D"http://gui4cli.com/Gui4Cli-test.exe" t=
arget=3D"_blank">http://gui4cli.com/Gui4Cli-test.exe</a><br></div><div><br>=
</div><div>Apparently the problem is caused by MS trying to do away with XP=
. They have set the default configuration in Visual Studio 2013 (which I us=
e) to use new include files which are not compatible with XP. To use XP you=
have to change this and define yourself whatever new defines you want to u=
se. They don't tell you this - you have to find it out by searching thr=
ough really boring articles written in "coder-speak".</div><div><=
br></div><div>Hope it works</div><div><br></div><div>Dimitris</div><div><br=
></div></span></div><div><div class=3D"h5"><div><br><blockquote><span><div>=
On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:27 PM, <a rel=3D"nofollow" href=3D"mailto:chris.ke=
vany@..." target=3D"_blank">chris.kevany@...</a> [gui4cli] <span dir=3D"ltr=
"><<a rel=3D"nofollow" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D=
"_blank">[email protected]</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote style=
=3D"border-left:1px #ccc solid"><u></u><div style=3D"background-color:#fff"=
>
<span>=C2=A0</span><div><div><div><p>I use the same zip download on Win XP =
and Win 7. On Win 7 it does fine.<br><br>I used an old program called "=
;FileAlyzer" to compare 19.40 and 19.42 and in the PE header<br>I see =
this difference for 19.40 vs. 19.42;<br><br>OS version (major): 0005<br>OS =
version (minor): 0001<br>Image version (major): 0000<br>Image version (mino=
r): 0000<br>Sub system version (major): 0005<br>Sub system version (minor):=
0001<br><br>OS version (major): 0006<br>OS version (minor): 0000<br>Image =
version (major): 0000<br>Image version (minor): 0000<br>Sub system version =
(major): 0006<br>Sub system version (minor): 0000<br><br>Could that perhaps=
causes the issue?<br><br>I also can read from that analysis that there are=
5 more imports from kernel32<br>and 1 more import from user32, compared to=
19.40. All others seems the same.<br><br>Chris<br><br></p><div><br>---In <=
a rel=3D"nofollow" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank=
">[email protected]</a>, <gui4cli@...> wrote :<br><br><div><div=
dir=3D"ltr">Hi Chris,<div><br></div><span><div>Just to get the obvious out=
of the way - make sure the exe file was properly downloaded and is not cor=
rupt in some way and that the same file runs in win 7 and above.</div><div>=
<br></div><div>Other than that, it could be some function that was new in w=
in 7. I get pointers to all new functions (after win 98) by inquiring for t=
hem at startup and use them only if they exist. Maybe there is one that got=
away...</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks - Dimitris</div><div><br></div><di=
v><br></div></span></div><div><div><div><br><blockquote><span><div>On Mon, =
Feb 8, 2016 at 5:54 PM, <a rel=3D"nofollow" href=3D"mailto:chris.kevany@...=
" target=3D"_blank">chris.kevany@...</a> [gui4cli] <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a=
rel=3D"nofollow" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank"=
>[email protected]</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote style=3D"bord=
er-left:1px #ccc solid"><u></u><div style=3D"background-color:#fff">
<span>=C2=A0</span><div><div><div><p><br></p><div>No! Just a simple message=
box with the program name as title. Same as when you<br>try to run a 64-bi=
t application on a 32-bit OS.<br><br>In a hex dump of the header, it still =
looks normal, starting with MZ and the usual<br>"This program cannot b=
e run in DOS mode." stuff.<span><br><br>Chris<br><br><br>---In <a rel=
=3D"nofollow" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">gui=
[email protected]</a>, <gui4cli@...> wrote :<br><br></span><div><s=
pan><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Chris,<div><br></div><div>Does it mention anything =
else (in the dialogue title, etc)</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks</div><div=
><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></span><div><div><div><br><b=
lockquote><span><div>On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 11:54 AM, <a rel=3D"nofollow" h=
ref=3D"mailto:chris.kevany@..." target=3D"_blank">chris.kevany@...</a> [gui=
4cli] <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a rel=3D"nofollow" href=3D"mailto:gui4cli@yaho=
ogroups.com" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>></span> wrote=
:<br><blockquote style=3D"border-left:1px #ccc solid"><u></u><div style=3D"=
background-color:#fff">
<span>=C2=A0</span><div><div><div><p>Hi Dimitris,<br><br>I changed the mani=
fest of version 19.42 to "asInvoker" with resHacker and drag/drop=
woks fine<br>in Windows 7 (I have no higher windows version running to try=
).<br><br>From version 19.41 up, Gui4Cli seems to be lost for Windows XP us=
ers. At launch I get a<br>WIndows message like "This is not a valid wi=
n32 application".<br><br>Chris<br></p><div><br><br>---In <a rel=3D"nof=
ollow" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">gui4cli@ya=
hoogroups.com</a>, <gui4cli@...> wrote :<br><br><div><span><div dir=
=3D"ltr">Just an update - the default in the manifest is=C2=A0<span style=
=3D"font-size:12.8px">"asInvoker", ie whatever you choose in the =
compatibility tab of the file properties dialog. I had changed it in the ma=
nifest for some reason I can't remember and it ran in administrator mod=
e no matter what you set in the compatibility tab. I fixed it now, so that =
you can choose.</span><div><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><br></span></di=
v><div><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">Still, for drag and drop to work, g=
ui4cli must not be run in administration mode, because the shell (desktop, =
file explorer etc) are run in non-administrator mode, so drag and drop betw=
een them is forbidden.</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><b=
r></span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">Looks like overkill fr=
om MS.</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><=
div><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">Dimitris</span></div><div><span style=
=3D"font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px=
"><br></span></div></div></span><div><br><blockquote><span><div><span>On Mo=
n, Jan 25, 2016 at 10:00 PM, GC Gui4Cli <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a rel=3D"nof=
ollow" href=3D"mailto:gui4cli@..." target=3D"_blank">gui4cli@...</a>></s=
pan> wrote:<br></span><blockquote style=3D"border-left:1px #ccc solid"><spa=
n><div dir=3D"ltr">hi Fer,<div><br></div><div>You were right - its the secu=
rity measures.</div><div><br></div><div>After trying some desperate moves I=
read in forums, I found that all you had to do was change a setting in the=
project properties (I use VSE13), so the linker sets the "requestedEx=
ecutionLevel" in the manifest file to "asInvoker" instead of=
"requireAdministrator" which is the default.</div><div><br></div=
><div>I don't know what other repercussions this may have so I'll t=
ry it for a while.</div><div><br></div><div>What I don't understand is =
what kind of security this provides if someone can just bypass it so easily=
.</div><div><br></div><div>Dimitris</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></di=
v></span><div><div><div><br><div><span>On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 4:33 PM, GC =
Gui4Cli <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a rel=3D"nofollow" href=3D"mailto:gui4cli@..=
." target=3D"_blank">gui4cli@...</a>></span> wrote:<br></span><blockquot=
e style=3D"border-left:1px #ccc solid"><span><div dir=3D"ltr">I think its p=
robably to do with that, but its something I did, not a system setting, bec=
ause drag and drop works up to version 19.39, then suddenly stops after ver=
sion 19.40.<div><br></div><div>Maybe some compiler setting... The problem i=
s that it doesn't react at all, not even when I look with the debugger,=
like I didn't register the interfaces, which I know I did because I ca=
n see them working within g4c. Makes it difficult to find because I don'=
;t know where to start :(<br></div><div><br></div><div>Dimitris<br></div><d=
iv><br></div></div></span><span><div><div><div><br><div>On Mon, Jan 25, 201=
6 at 3:58 PM, <a rel=3D"nofollow" href=3D"mailto:fmstoopman@..." target=3D"=
_blank">fmstoopman@...</a> [gui4cli] <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a rel=3D"nofoll=
ow" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">gui4cli@yahoo=
groups.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote style=3D"border-left:1px #c=
cc solid"><u></u><div style=3D"background-color:#fff">
<span>=C2=A0</span><div><div><div><p></p><p>Hi Dimitris,</p><p><br></p><p>T=
he drag/drop problem is caused by the extreme security measures</p><p>of wi=
ndows 10. You have to disable user account control completely.</p><p>So not=
only setting the user account control slider to a minimum (which</p><p>use=
d to work fine on XP and Win7) but also setting enableLUA in the</p><p>regi=
stry to 0 (default 1). The key is:</p><p>HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Cu=
rrentversion\Policies\System<br></p><p>The big problem with this that you c=
annot advise this to your users</p><p>because you don't know=C2=A0what =
the exact consequences are when</p><p>disabling UAC completely. One thing I=
do know is that you have to</p><p>restart your PC to let the change take e=
ffect. Bad enough.</p><p><br></p><p>Maybe one day M$ will come to their sen=
ses.</p><p><br></p><p>fer</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p></p></div><span><div =
style=3D"color:#fff;min-height:0"></div></span></div></div></div></blockquo=
te></div><br></div></div></div></span></blockquote></div><br></div></div></=
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iv><div style=3D"color:#fff;min-height:0"></div></div></div></div></blockqu=
ote></div><br></span></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div><div>=C2=A0=
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min-height:0"></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></=
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