Re: Windows10

"[email protected] [gui4cli]" <[email protected]> 28 Feb 2016 15:04:12 -0800
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<br class="yui-cursor"><div class="ygroups-quoted">Hi Dimitris,<br><br>Great! That does the trick :)<br><br>I tried it not only on the examples but also on my own guis of which some are quite heavy<br>and everything looks fine. I also successfully compiled a self-contained executable of my<br>Avanti code with 19.42 now.<br><br>I checked CPU usage at the Windows taskmanager and I see no difference compared to<br>19.40. Even with a timer running that every second calls a dll to read a buffer and then<br>runs a huge piece of code to analyze the data, CPU usage doesn&#39;t exceed about 3%.<br>Actually efficiency and speed of Gui4Cli has always been amazing.<br><br>Many thanks,<br><br>Chris<br><br><br>---In [email protected], &lt;gui4cli@...&gt; wrote :<br><br><div id="ygrps-yiv-159014301
 1"><div dir="ltr">Hi Chris,<div><br></div><div>I set &quot;Properties -&gt; C/C++ -&gt; Code Generation -&gt; Enabled enhanced instruction set&quot; to &quot;No Enhanced Instructions (/arch:IA32)&quot; and uploaded to :<div><br></div><div><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://gui4cli.com/Gui4Cli-test3.exe">http://gui4cli.com/Gui4Cli-test3.exe</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>I&#39;ve no idea what instructions this disables - I&#39;m guessing it doesn&#39;t make much difference in execution speed, etc - Have a look.</div><div><br></div><div>Dimitris&nbsp;</div><div><br></div></div><div><br></div><div class="ygrps-yiv-1590143011gmail_extra"><br><blockquote><span class=""><div class="ygrps-yiv-1590143011gmail_quote">On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 1:30 PM, <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
  href="mailto:chris.kevany@...">chris.kevany@...</a> [gui4cli] <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="ygrps-yiv-1590143011gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><u></u><div style="background-color:#fff;">
<span>&nbsp;</span><div><div><div><p><br></p><div>Hi Dimistris,<br><br>I probably found the cause of the Windows XP issue but unfortunately cannot fix it.<br>It most likely has to to with my CPU that doesn&#39;t support SSE2 instructions.<br>(Athlon XP2000+). Your XP laptop probably has a P4 or higher CPU that does support SSE2.<br><br>At every Gui4Cli crash, the DrWatson log comes up with a invalid instruction (movsdx) which<br>is only available with SSE2.<br><br>Perhaps you can set a compiler switch to not use SSE2 or I can try to find an old mobo<br>with a P4 CPU on it :)<br><br>It seems that up to version 19.40, no SSE2 instructions were used so I guess it has to do<br>with your switch-over to VC++ 2012.<br><br>Thanks for your efforts,<br><br>Chris<br><br><br>---In <a rel="nofollow" ta
 rget="_blank" href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>, &lt;chris.kevany@...&gt; wrote :<div><div class="ygrps-yiv-1590143011h5"><br><br><div><br><div>Hi Dimitris,<br><br>I&#39;ve tried the test2 version but still have the same issues. I run Windows XP SP 3.<br><br>I recently had to re-install Windows XP because of a crash but cannot do all the hot fixes<br>that may be installed on your old XP system (if any). Perhaps it has something to do with that?<br><br>I removed all VC++ redistributables but that didn&#39;t help. 19.40 however still runs fine without them.<br><br>My system also has &quot;Visual Studio 2012 x86 redistributables&quot; installed. I thought I did this<br>myself but after I removed it, it appeared that AVG did it and I had to re-install AVG.<br>
 <br>I&#39;ll spend some more time on it to find out what&#39;s wrong and if I have success I&#39;ll let you know.<br><br>Chris<br><br><br>---In <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>, &lt;gui4cli@...&gt; wrote :<br><br><div><div dir="ltr">Hi Chris<div><br></div><div>I found my old XP laptop (I&#39;d given it to a friend) and tried version 19.42 and it runs fine. I tried most tutorials, etc.</div><div><br></div><div>I did not install any redistributables - just XP as I had it then.</div><div><br></div><div>I re-uploaded the version I ran to make sure its the same one we both have:</div><div><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://gui4cli.com/Gui4Cli-test2.exe">http://gui4cli.com/Gui4Cli-test2.exe</a><br></div><div><br></d
 iv><div>If you get a chance please try it also.</div><div><br></div><div>Dimitris</div><div><br></div></div><div><br><blockquote><span><blockquote><span><div>On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 9:34 AM, GC Gui4Cli <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:gui4cli@...">gui4cli@...</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;"><div dir="ltr">Hi Chris,<div><br></div><div>Thanks for the feedback.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>You are right that trying to support XP is becoming a futile exercise, specially since MS itself is sabotaging it. We&#39;ll see. If I can find an xp laptop I may give it another try.</div><div><br></div><div>Dimitris&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div><div><div><br><div>On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 12:15 PM, <a rel="
 nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:chris.kevany@...">chris.kevany@...</a> [gui4cli] <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;"><u></u><div style="background-color:#fff;">
<span>&nbsp;</span><div><div><div><p>Hi Dimitris,<br><br>Thanks for your attempts to fix the Windows XP issue. It initially works now<br>but there are several issues. I tried it on the example guis. Some work<br>but Gui4Cli crashes on most of them when loaded. Some of the working guis<br>crash when certain options are chosen and all crash on exit. Gui4Cli itself<br>also crashes when I right-click on the taskbar icon. SciED runs but refuses<br>to load guis on drop and crashes when I try to open the load dialog.<br>I have the VC++ 2013 redistributable installed.<br><br>Having in mind that you cannot test it yourself on XP anymore, I guess it<br>will save you a lot of trouble to consider XP as a passed station and set<br>the minimum Gui4Cli requirements to Windows 7.<br><br>I would advice pot
 ential users that are still on Windows XP to install<br>&quot;G4C_19_38_FULL.exe&quot; and replace the Gui4Cli executable and dll with<br>version 19.40. That offers already a wealth of features and options :)<br><br>For me version 19.42 (with the small &quot;asInvoker&quot; change) works fine on<br>Windows 7. I didn&#39;t test the new features yet but al my existing guis<br>work as before. I use the same basic 19.38 install there and only<br>replaced the 19.40 executable for 19.42.<br><br>Thanks again,<br><br>Chris <br></p><div><br><br>---In <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>, &lt;gui4cli@...&gt; wrote :<br><br><div><div dir="ltr">Hi Chris,<div><br></div><span><div>Since I don&#39;t have an XP laptop handy, try this version
 :</div><div><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://gui4cli.com/Gui4Cli-test.exe">http://gui4cli.com/Gui4Cli-test.exe</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>Apparently the problem is caused by MS trying to do away with XP. They have set the default configuration in Visual Studio 2013 (which I use) to use new include files which are not compatible with XP. To use XP you have to change this and define yourself whatever new defines you want to use. They don&#39;t tell you this - you have to find it out by searching through really boring articles written in &quot;coder-speak&quot;.</div><div><br></div><div>Hope it works</div><div><br></div><div>Dimitris</div><div><br></div></span></div><div><div><div><br><blockquote><span><div>On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:27 PM, <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank
 " href="mailto:chris.kevany@...">chris.kevany@...</a> [gui4cli] <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;"><u></u><div style="background-color:#fff;">
<span>&nbsp;</span><div><div><div><p>I use the same zip download on Win XP and Win 7. On Win 7 it does fine.<br><br>I used an old program called &quot;FileAlyzer&quot; to compare 19.40 and 19.42 and in the PE header<br>I see this difference for 19.40 vs. 19.42;<br><br>OS version (major): 0005<br>OS version (minor): 0001<br>Image version (major): 0000<br>Image version (minor): 0000<br>Sub system version (major): 0005<br>Sub system version (minor): 0001<br><br>OS version (major): 0006<br>OS version (minor): 0000<br>Image version (major): 0000<br>Image version (minor): 0000<br>Sub system version (major): 0006<br>Sub system version (minor): 0000<br><br>Could that perhaps causes the issue?<br><br>I also can read from that analysis that there are 5 more imports from kernel32<br>and 1 more import
  from user32, compared to 19.40. All others seems the same.<br><br>Chris<br><br></p><div><br>---In <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>, &lt;gui4cli@...&gt; wrote :<br><br><div><div dir="ltr">Hi Chris,<div><br></div><span><div>Just to get the obvious out of the way - make sure the exe file was properly downloaded and is not corrupt in some way and that the same file runs in win 7 and above.</div><div><br></div><div>Other than that, it could be some function that was new in win 7. I get pointers to all new functions (after win 98) by inquiring for them at startup and use them only if they exist. Maybe there is one that got away...</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks - Dimitris</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></span></div><div><
 div><div><br><blockquote><span><div>On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 5:54 PM, <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:chris.kevany@...">chris.kevany@...</a> [gui4cli] <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;"><u></u><div style="background-color:#fff;">
<span>&nbsp;</span><div><div><div><p><br></p><div>No! Just a simple message box with the program name as title. Same as when you<br>try to run a 64-bit application on a 32-bit OS.<br><br>In a hex dump of the header, it still looks normal, starting with MZ and the usual<br>&quot;This program cannot be run in DOS mode.&quot; stuff.<span><br><br>Chris<br><br><br>---In <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>, &lt;gui4cli@...&gt; wrote :<br><br></span><div><span><div dir="ltr">Hi Chris,<div><br></div><div>Does it mention anything else (in the dialogue title, etc)</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></span><div><div><div><br><blockquote><span><div>On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 11:54 AM, <a re
 l="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:chris.kevany@...">chris.kevany@...</a> [gui4cli] <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;"><u></u><div style="background-color:#fff;">
<span>&nbsp;</span><div><div><div><p>Hi Dimitris,<br><br>I changed the manifest of version 19.42 to &quot;asInvoker&quot; with resHacker and drag/drop woks fine<br>in Windows 7 (I have no higher windows version running to try).<br><br>From version 19.41 up, Gui4Cli seems to be lost for Windows XP users. At launch I get a<br>WIndows message like &quot;This is not a valid win32 application&quot;.<br><br>Chris<br></p><div><br><br>---In <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>, &lt;gui4cli@...&gt; wrote :<br><br><div><span><div dir="ltr">Just an update - the default in the manifest is&nbsp;<span style="font-size:12.8px;">&quot;asInvoker&quot;, ie whatever you choose in the compatibility tab of the file properties dialog. I had changed 
 it in the manifest for some reason I can&#39;t remember and it ran in administrator mode no matter what you set in the compatibility tab. I fixed it now, so that you can choose.</span><div><span style="font-size:12.8px;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px;">Still, for drag and drop to work, gui4cli must not be run in administration mode, because the shell (desktop, file explorer etc) are run in non-administrator mode, so drag and drop between them is forbidden.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px;">Looks like overkill from MS.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px;">Dimitris</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px;"><br></span></div><div>
 <span style="font-size:12.8px;"><br></span></div></div></span><div><br><blockquote><span><div><span>On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 10:00 PM, GC Gui4Cli <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:gui4cli@...">gui4cli@...</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br></span><blockquote style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;"><span><div dir="ltr">hi Fer,<div><br></div><div>You were right - its the security measures.</div><div><br></div><div>After trying some desperate moves I read in forums, I found that all you had to do was change a setting in the project properties (I use VSE13), so the linker sets the &quot;requestedExecutionLevel&quot; in the manifest file to &quot;asInvoker&quot; instead of &quot;requireAdministrator&quot; which is the default.</div><div><br></div><div>I don&#39;t know what o
 ther repercussions this may have so I&#39;ll try it for a while.</div><div><br></div><div>What I don&#39;t understand is what kind of security this provides if someone can just bypass it so easily.</div><div><br></div><div>Dimitris</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></span><div><div><div><br><div><span>On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 4:33 PM, GC Gui4Cli <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:gui4cli@...">gui4cli@...</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br></span><blockquote style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;"><span><div dir="ltr">I think its probably to do with that, but its something I did, not a system setting, because drag and drop works up to version 19.39, then suddenly stops after version 19.40.<div><br></div><div>Maybe some compiler setting... The problem is that it doe
 sn&#39;t react at all, not even when I look with the debugger, like I didn&#39;t register the interfaces, which I know I did because I can see them working within g4c. Makes it difficult to find because I don&#39;t know where to start :(<br></div><div><br></div><div>Dimitris<br></div><div><br></div></div></span><span><div><div><div><br><div>On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 3:58 PM, <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:fmstoopman@...">fmstoopman@...</a> [gui4cli] <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;"><u></u><div style="background-color:#fff;">
<span>&nbsp;</span><div><div><div><p></p><p>Hi Dimitris,</p><p><br></p><p>The drag/drop problem is caused by the extreme security measures</p><p>of windows 10. You have to disable user account control completely.</p><p>So not only setting the user account control slider to a minimum (which</p><p>used to work fine on XP and Win7) but also setting enableLUA in the</p><p>registry to 0 (default 1). The key is:</p><p>HKLM&#92;Software&#92;Microsoft&#92;Windows&#92;Currentversion&#92;Policies&#92;System<br></p><p>The big problem with this that you cannot advise this to your users</p><p>because you don&#39;t know&nbsp;what the exact consequences are when</p><p>disabling UAC completely. One thing I do know is that you have to</p><p>restart your PC to let the change take effect. Bad enough.</p><p><
 br></p><p>Maybe one day M$ will come to their senses.</p><p><br></p><p>fer</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p></p></div><span><div style="color:#fff;min-height:0;"></div></span></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div></span></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></span></blockquote></div></div></div><p></p></div><div style="color:#fff;min-height:0;"></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></span></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div><div>&nbsp;</div><p></p></div><div><div><div style="color:#fff;min-height:0;"></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></span></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div><p></p></div><div><div><div style="color:#fff;min-height:0;"></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></spa
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