Re: Windows 8: how quickly will it be adopted?

I believe you.  I got my info from the talk at the C++ Going Native conference hosted by Microsoft.  And general complaints about speed  in 2010.  Maybe it wasn't stated, but it was strongly implied by Sutter that things were moving towards the new C++ for Metro language, which is native.  So it's the .net Windowing stuff behind VS2010 was becoming native code Metro Windowing stuff.  Something like that. I'm clearly not on top of this subject.

 
Alan Baljeu

From: Curt Hagenlocher <[email protected]>

To: [email protected] 
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 9:48:20 AM
Subject: Re: [OT] Windows 8: how quickly will it be adopted?
 

  
Wait, what? VS2012 does not have less managed code than VS2010.
 
It's a mistake to think of Microsoft as monolithic with respect to something like this. There are large parts of the company with a heavy investment in C#, and that's simply not going to change. For that matter, the C# compiler is being rewritten from C++ to C#. To a great extent, the recent re-emphasis on C++ inside the company is being driven by Windows, which
 
1) is concerned about being able to run efficiently on low-power devices like phones and tablets.
2) was burnt badly by managed code in the Longhorn era

 
On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 6:23 AM, Alan Baljeu <alanbaljeu-/[email protected]> wrote:


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>From: Alan Baljeu <alanbaljeu-/[email protected]>
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>C++ sense was never as good as C# IntelliSense.  I suggest looking at VisualAssist.
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>From: Stoyan Damov <[email protected]>
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>One almost unrelated question, but this is the OT list, so :) Would Microsoft implement IntelliSense for C++ or this has already been done? I understand there aren't so many C++ developers these days (and I'm not an every day one either) but every now and then I have to create this or that COM component (yeah... :() and VS2010 drives me mad, especially since I'm so used to Resharper and IntelliJ Idea which both beat IntelliSense...
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>>The part that baffles me - fifteen years of software have shown us that Power Users absolutely *love* to customize their user experience. Windows Wallpaper, WindowBlinds, WinAmp skins, Firefox, Chrome, etc, etc - give a geek an API to the UI and they're off to the races. 
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>>> That's old news, and was updated in the final release to be a better-looking alternative that what was seen in April. 
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>>I tend to think of it as “slightly less worse looking than the beta”. If UserVoice and other forums are anything to go by the calls for further change (e.g. a complete reversion to the style of its predecessor) don’t seem to have abated either. 
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