Re: VS 2012

Appke's multi-touch pad is simply already a step in that direction... No?

Ernst Kuschke
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On 18 Sep 2012, at 17:13, Alan Baljeu <alanbaljeu-/[email protected]> wrote:

> I agree that the current hardware layout isn't ideal for using touch screens; a drafting table is a better format.  That won't happen soon.  But Microsoft Surface is coming, and I'm sure a keyboard will be available.
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> For now, nobody is requiring you to use a touch screen and the mouse still works.  
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> Now about your tablet like a mouse pad, what do you have in mind?  Like a laptop touchpad?  Ick.  Like an iPad that's an extra little screen for your computer?  That's doable but wouldn't replace a mouse.
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> Alan Baljeu
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> From: Philo Janus <[email protected]>
> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 10:12:00 AM
> Subject: RE: [OT] VS 2012
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> well there's the part where it's on my desk instead of out in front of me. 
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> As far as I can tell, I'm the only person in this thread that's pointed out the optimum ergonomic solution (screens in front, tablet as "mouse pad")
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> I'm not going to spend 8-12 hours either trying to read my desk or holding my arms out in front of me. A drafting table approach is closer, but now you need a 60" glass to get the same benefit, and you still need a keyboard somewhere because I can type faster than I write or dictate. 
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> One more time - how come every cool new idea becomes a hammer? Sure, give me touch, but let me also use my keyboard to type, my mouse when I want, and a stylus when it makes sense.
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> STOP TRYING TO MAKE ME WORK THE WAY YOU LIKE TO WORK. 
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> From: Alan Baljeu
> Sent: 9/18/2012 9:59 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [OT] VS 2012
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> I work in CAD where a mouse is a constant companion, absolutely critical for work.  A keyboard is an important companion, but very secondary.  I do not use a touch screen except on an iPhone.  
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> Some interfaces might be redesigned even better for fingers or stylus, but mostly tapping what you want is easier than dragging the mouse to get the cursor pointing at what you want.  Likewise drag/drop and selecting regions.  So where is a mouse easier?
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> Alan Baljeu
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> From: Philo Janus <[email protected]>
> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 9:31:49 AM
> Subject: RE: [OT] VS 2012
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> touch is easier than a mouse *for some things.* Mouse is easier for a  heck of a lot of use cases, and a stylus/tablet paradigm is better than others. Instead of treating touch like a hammer and everything is a nail, why not figure out how to make all those tools work together seamlessly?
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> From: Alan Baljeu
> Sent: 9/18/2012 9:17 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [OT] VS 2012
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> This is why it will take time.  Touch is easier than a mouse, by far, but we need to redesign the desk and the display format to make it workable with your big screens.
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> Alan Baljeu
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> From: Philo Janus <[email protected]>
> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 7:32:32 AM
> Subject: RE: [OT] VS 2012
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> "Nobody wants to use a mouse anymore." 
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> I'd love to see the studies on that. Or did you just make it up? 
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> I sit at a desktop with two 24" monitors all day, and while having the option to use touch might be nice, the idea of holding my arms out in front of me for eight hours a day doesn't sound attractive.
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> What would be nice would be the ability to have a tablet/mouse pad that links directly to the desktop so it's like a control pad. But as far as I know nobody has that vision. 
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> And even so, it still leaves me with a normal desktop.
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> Philo
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> From: Mike
> Sent: 9/17/2012 5:04 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [OT] VS 2012
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> At all times, the desktop is just a Win+D away.  So I'm not worried about power users at all.  Ordinary users will probably rebel, but that's OK, they'll just stay on Windows 7 and be happy.
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> In the meantime, tablets and Windows 8 will evolve.  The desktop slowly goes away as Metro evolves into something more sophisticated yet still easy for consumers.  All of us get used to using Windows 8 on tablets and start wanting that experience at work as well.  Tablets and touch everything have become cheap unremarkable commodities.  Nobody wants to use a mouse anymore.  All this is probably only a year or two away.
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> In other words, Windows 8 is too advanced for people and hardware at this moment, and that's OK, because Windows 7 is just fine for now.  Instead, MS skated to where the puck will be very soon.
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> Mike
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> On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 7:53 PM, Steve Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:
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> Though I really like the OS for tablets and phones, I totally get the Win8 hate on a desktop.  The start screen is useless, because it doesn't show a clear picture of what I have going on.  Also, I think the interface formerly known as Metro is worthless on a desktop.  The "immersive" experience, to me, sucks.  I don't want an "immersive" application on a 24, 27 or 30 inch monitor.  Again, It shows no context of what else is happening.  I never have just one thing going on on my desktop the way I do on a phone or tablet.
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> To each his own, I guess.
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> --SJ
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> On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 11:05 PM, Shawn Wildermuth <[email protected]> wrote:
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> I don't get the Win8 hate…I really like the OS. It's as fast or faster than Win7. I like the new Start Menu (and all the old KB shortcuts work). I think it's a matter of moved cheese. Especially if the people complaining never left XP.  I use VS2012 every day and it's a lot better than VS10…especially for Web Dev.
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> - stw
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> I don’t even use spell check – my misspellings are on purpose.
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> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 10:04 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [OT] VS 2012
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> I'm happy to see that Rick Strahl is tweeting that VS 2012 is working great for him.  I have not used it yet, alas, I'm developing on an XP VM right now. 
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> But I've downloaded it on my very old Dell Windows 8 machine, and actually think it looks great, CAP MENUS and all.  I understand that text is sort of being used to simulate buttons.  I really like the subtle texty Windows 8 design aesthetic.  
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> The bad news is that all my non tech friends are reporting that they are hearing that Windows 8 is terrible.  That's the meme that's out there.
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> Mike
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