Re: network connection enumeration
"John Elliot V [email protected] [win_tech_off_topic]" <[email protected]> Wed, 24 Aug 2016 17:59:36 +1000
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--------------6FE4ABE7C12D2FD33D324D0B Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="rtzizldCrgeVc3OtymAI9dAXymuJdLWSFUBCFnP" --rtzizldCrgeVc3OtymAI9dAXymuJdLWSFUBCFnP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi John. (I've been trying to understand this thread with not much luck.) It sounds like you're running a program from a network share. This doesn't run the program on the server, it copies the program binary to the client machine across the network and runs it over there. So both test.exe and program.exe are running on the same computer (and not on the file server). In that case test.exe is most likely passing command-line arguments to program.exe although it could also be piping in standard input. I guess, too, that program.exe could be listening on the network in some fashion (e.g. on an IP port for TCP or UDP, etc.), but if it was doing that it would be doing it on the client computer not the file server. Regards, John Elliot V On 24/08/16 01:28, John Smith [email protected] [win_tech_off_topic] wrote: > > > Hi Richard, > The programs both exist. the server program is located at > \\server_name\c\directory\program.exe a program called test.exe is > located on a machine across the network and when I run test.exe it > connects to the server, finds program.exe at the path given and sends it > various commands, sends it requests for information and interacts with > it in various other ways. > As far as I know, program.exe is simply responding to network > requests, it doesn't actually know anything. I'm not using pipes or > other IO redirection, (unless that's how the OS is doing it, I'm not > clear on that), so I don't think monitoring for IO redirection would > help here. > > Another question. How does the OS handle IO that is targeted for a > remote location? Does it actually use pipes? sockets? or something else? > That might help me figure out a solution here. > > > > On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 10:42 AM, 'Richard Howells' > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > [win_tech_off_topic] <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > __ > > > >> a program on the network machine connects to the program on the > server and sends it information,____ > > We still don’t know how this happens. ____ > > __ __ > > Is this a pair of programs that already exist? Or a pair that you > plan to write, or commission?____ > > __ __ > > A server program (your target program) has to know, or be able to > find out, some information about any incoming connection. At a > minimum it needs to send responses back to the right place.____ > > __ __ > > If you tell us what the nature of the connection is you might get > better targeted advice.____ > > __ __ > > Best wishes,____ > > __ __ > > Richard Howells____ > > Richard-yP/[email protected] <mailto:Richard-yP/[email protected]>____ > > www.dynamisys.co.uk <http://www.dynamisys.co.uk/>____ > > __ __ > > (L) +44 (0) 1793 731225 <tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201793%20731225>____ > > (M) +44 (0) 7769 266522 <tel:%2B44%20%280%29%207769%20266522> – I’m > working in India until 4December. It’s unlikely that I will be able > to take calls. Wisest is to send me an email.____ > > __ __ > > *From:*[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > [mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>] > *Sent:* 20 August 2016 15:51 > *To:* [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [OT] network connection enumeration____ > > __ __ > > ____ > > The network machines connect to the server that the target program > is running on. while the target program is running, a program on the > network machine connects to the program on the server and sends it > information, tries to get info about the program on the server > (operational state, determine whether the program on the server > still exists, etc...) ____ > > __ __ > > Is there a way for the program on the server to know when one of the > programs on the network machine is accessing it? I was thinking > about building an internal firewall into the target program on the > server, but wouldn't that simply block or allow a connection from > across the network based on an IP address of the network machine? > Would that really be able to flag when a connection to the target > program was made? ____ > > __ __ > > On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Christopher Tavares > cct-/[email protected] <mailto:cct-/[email protected]> > [win_tech_off_topic] <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:____ > > ____ > > OK, so you're not connecting to the app, but instead connecting to a > network share on the same machine the app happens to be running on?____ > > That makes it really tough, those sort of things are deliberately > isolated by the OS.____ > > You might be able to do something at the device driver level? Out of > my depth here.____ > > -Chris____ > > __ __ > > On Aug 18, 2016 8:38 AM, "John Smith [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> [win_tech_off_topic]" > <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:____ > > ____ > > Hi Guys____ > > Thanks for the reply. I know what you mean about the lack of > activity on the list recently. It's been forever since I've seen > much activity here. Anyway, the connection type is what ever is used > by the OS to connect to a network share. As far as I know it's not > specifically socketed unless the OS does something behind the > scenes. ____ > > __ __ > > -John____ > > __ __ > > __ __ > > On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Steve Johnson [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> [win_tech_off_topic] > <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:____ > > ____ > > There is almost never any traffic on this list. In fact, I had > forgotten that I was still subscribed.____ > > __ __ > > What kind of connection are you talking about? Socket? Share?____ > > __ __ > > --Steve Johnson____ > > > ____ > > __ __ > > --Steve Johnson____ > > __ __ > > On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 10:18 AM, John Smith [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> [win_tech_off_topic] > <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:____ > > __ __ > > Hi Guys,____ > > __ __ > > is there a way to enumerate the connections to a program located > on a network server? ____ > > Here is what I have. I have a program located on my network server > and other machines on the network connect to the server and complete > various tasks after a connection to that program is established. Is > there a way for the program on the server to know when a connection > to it has been created by someone on the network? Thanks for any > help, pointers to info etc...____ > > __ __ > > __ __ > > -John ____ > > __ __ > > __ __ > > __ __ > > __ __ > > __ __ > > __ __ > > ____ > > > -- E: [email protected] P: +61 4 3505 7839 W: https://www.jj5.net/ --rtzizldCrgeVc3OtymAI9dAXymuJdLWSFUBCFnP Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/htm= l4/strict.dtd"> <html> <head> </head> =20 <body style=3D"background-color: #fff;"> <span style=3D"display:none"> </span> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStartT|**|-~--> <div id=3D"ygrp-mlmsg" style=3D"position:relative;"> <div id=3D"ygrp-msg" style=3D"z-index: 1;"> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlEndT|**|-~--> <div id=3D"ygrp-text" > =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 <p>Hi John.<br> <br> (I've been trying to understand this thread with not much luck.)<br> <br> It sounds like you're running a program from a network share. This<br> doesn't run the program on the server, it copies the program binary to<= br> the client machine across the network and runs it over there. So both<br> test.exe and program.exe are running on the same computer (and not on<br> the file server).<br> <br> In that case test.exe is most likely passing command-line arguments to<br> program.exe although it could also be piping in standard input. I guess,<br= > too, that program.exe could be listening on the network in some fashion<br> (e.g. on an IP port for TCP or UDP, etc.), but if it was doing that it<br> would be doing it on the client computer not the file server.<br> <br> Regards,<br> John Elliot V<br> <br> On 24/08/16 01:28, John Smith [email protected] [win_tech_off_topic] wrote:= <br> > <br> > <br> > Hi Richard,<br> > The programs both exist. the server program is located at<br> > \\server_name\c\directory\program.exe a program c= alled test.exe is<br> > located on a machine across the network and when I run test.exe it<br> > connects to the server, finds program.exe at the path given and sends = it<br> > various commands, sends it requests for information and interacts with= <br> > it in various other ways.<br> > As far as I know, program.exe is simply responding to network<br> > requests, it doesn't actually know anything. I'm not using pip= es or<br> > other IO redirection, (unless that's how the OS is doing it, I'= ;m not<br> > clear on that), so I don't think monitoring for IO redirection wou= ld<br> > help here.<br> > <br> > Another question. How does the OS handle IO that is targeted for a<b= r> > remote location? Does it actually use pipes? sockets? or something els= e?<br> > That might help me figure out a solution here. <br> > <br> > <br> > <br> > On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 10:42 AM, 'Richard Howells'<br> > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]><br> > [win_tech_off_topic] <[email protected]<br> > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:<br> > <br> > __<br> > <br> > <br> > >> a program on the network machine connects to the program = on the<br> > server and sends it information,____<br> > <br> > We still don=E2=80=99t know how this happens. ____<br> > <br> > __ __<br> > <br> > Is this a pair of programs that already exist? Or a pair that you= <br> > plan to write, or commission?____<br> > <br> > __ __<br> > <br> > A server program (your target program) has to know, or be able to<= br> > find out, some information about any incoming connection. At a<br= > > minimum it needs to send responses back to the right place.____<br= > > <br> > __ __<br> > <br> > If you tell us what the nature of the connection is you might get<= br> > better targeted advice.____<br> > <br> > __ __<br> > <br> > Best wishes,____<br> > <br> > __ __<br> > <br> > Richard Howells____<br> > <br> > Richard-yP/[email protected] <mailto:Richard-yP/[email protected]>____= <br> > <br> > www.dynamisys.co.uk <http://www.dynamisys.co.uk/>____<br> > <br> > __ __<br> > <br> > (L) +44 (0) 1793 731225 <tel:%2B44%20%280%29%201793%2073122= 5>____<br> > <br> > (M) +44 (0) 7769 266522 <tel:%2B44%20%280%29%207769%2026652= 2> =E2=80=93 I=E2=80=99m<br> > working in India until 4December. It=E2=80=99s unlikely that I wi= ll be able<br> > to take calls. Wisest is to send me an email.____<br> > <br> > __ __<br> > <br> > *From:*[email protected]<br> > <mailto:[email protected]><br> > [mailto:[email protected]<br> > <mailto:[email protected]>]<br> > *Sent:* 20 August 2016 15:51<br> > *To:* [email protected]<br> > <mailto:[email protected]><br> > *Subject:* Re: [OT] network connection enumeration____<br> > <br> > __ __<br> > <br> > ____<br> > <br> > The network machines connect to the server that the target program= <br> > is running on. while the target program is running, a program on t= he<br> > network machine connects to the program on the server and sends it= <br> > information, tries to get info about the program on the server<br> > (operational state, determine whether the program on the server<br= > > still exists, etc...) ____<br> > <br> > __ __<br> > <br> > Is there a way for the program on the server to know when one of t= he<br> > programs on the network machine is accessing it? I was thinking<br= > > about building an internal firewall into the target program on the= <br> > server, but wouldn't that simply block or allow a connection f= rom<br> > across the network based on an IP address of the network machine?<= br> > Would that really be able to flag when a connection to the target<= br> > program was made? ____<br> > <br> > __ __<br> > <br> > On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Christopher Tavares<br> > cct-/[email protected] <mailto:cct-/[email protected]><br> > [win_tech_off_topic] <[email protected]<br> > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:____<b= r> > <br> > ____<br> > <br> > OK, so you're not connecting to the app, but instead connectin= g to a<br> > network share on the same machine the app happens to be running on= ?____<br> > <br> > That makes it really tough, those sort of things are deliberately<= br> > isolated by the OS.____<br> > <br> > You might be able to do something at the device driver level? Out = of<br> > my depth here.____<br> > <br> > -Chris____<br> > <br> > __ __<br> > <br> > On Aug 18, 2016 8:38 AM, "John Smith [email protected]<br> > <mailto:[email protected]> [win_tech_off_topic]"<br> > <[email protected]<br> > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:____<b= r> > <br> > ____<br> > <br> > Hi Guys____<br> > <br> > Thanks for the reply. I know what you mean about the lack of<br> > activity on the list recently. It's been forever since I'v= e seen<br> > much activity here. Anyway, the connection type is what ever is us= ed<br> > by the OS to connect to a network share. As far as I know it's= not<br> > specifically socketed unless the OS does something behind the<br> > scenes. ____<br> > <br> > __ __<br> > <br> > -John____<br> > <br> > __ __<br> > <br> > __ __<br> > <br> > On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Steve Johnson [email protected]= m<br> > <mailto:[email protected]> [win_tech_off_topic]<br> > <[email protected]<br> > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:____<b= r> > <br> > ____<br> > <br> > There is almost never any traffic on this list. In fact, I had<br> > forgotten that I was still subscribed.____<br> > <br> > __ __<br> > <br> > What kind of connection are you talking about? Socket? Share?____<= br> > <br> > __ __<br> > <br> > --Steve Johnson____<br> > <br> > <br> > ____<br> > <br> > __ __<br> > <br> > --Steve Johnson____<br> > <br> > __ __<br> > <br> > On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 10:18 AM, John Smith [email protected]<br> > <mailto:[email protected]> [win_tech_off_topic]<br> > <[email protected]<br> > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:____<b= r> > <br> > __ __<br> > <br> > Hi Guys,____<br> > <br> > __ __<br> > <br> > is there a way to enumerate the connections to a program located= <br> > on a network server? ____<br> > <br> > Here is what I have. I have a program located on my network server= <br> > and other machines on the network connect to the server and comple= te<br> > various tasks after a connection to that program is established. I= s<br> > there a way for the program on the server to know when a connectio= n<br> > to it has been created by someone on the network? Thanks for any<b= r> > help, pointers to info etc...____<br> > <br> > __ __<br> > <br> > __ __<br> > <br> > -John ____<br> > <br> > __ __<br> > <br> > __ __<br> > <br> > __ __<br> > <br> > __ __<br> > <br> > __ __<br> > <br> > __ __<br> > <br> > ____<br> > <br> > <br> > <br> <br> -- <br> E: [email protected]<br> P: +61 4 3505 7839<br> W: https://www.jj5.net/<br> </p> </div> =20=20=20=20=20 <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStart|**|-~--> <div style=3D"color: #fff; height: 0;">__._,_.___</div> =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20 =20 =20=20=20=20 <div style=3D"clear:both"> </div> <div id=3D"fromDMARC" style=3D"margin-top: 10px;"> <hr style=3D"height:2px ; border-width:0; color:#E3E3E3; background= -color:#E3E3E3;"> Posted by: John Elliot V <[email protected]> <hr style=3D"he= ight:2px ; border-width:0; color:#E3E3E3; background-color:#E3E3E3;"> </div> <div style=3D"clear:both"> </div> <table cellspacing=3D4px style=3D"margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px= ; color: #2D50FD;"> <tbody> <tr> <td style=3D"font-size: 12px; font-family: arial; font-weight: bo= ld; padding: 7px 5px 5px;" > <a style=3D"text-decoration: none; color: #2D50FD= " href=3D"https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/win_tech_off_topic/conversati= ons/messages/60564;_ylc=3DX3oDMTJxMnRzMHZyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM3MDE1M= jQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA2NjY5BG1zZ0lkAzYwNTY0BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUD= MTQ3MjAyNTU4MQ--?act=3Dreply&messageNum=3D60564">Reply via web post</a> </td> <td>•</td> <td style=3D"font-size: 12px; font-family: arial; padding: 7px 5p= x 5px;" > <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]?subject=3DRe%3A%20%5BOT%5D%20netw= ork%20connection%20enumeration" style=3D"text-decoration: none; color: #2D5= 0FD;"> Reply to sender </a> </td> <td>•</td> <td style=3D"font-size: 12px; font-family: arial; padding: 7px 5p= x 5px;"> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]?subject=3D= Re%3A%20%5BOT%5D%20network%20connection%20enumeration" style=3D"text-decora= tion: none; color: #2D50FD"> Reply to group </a> </td> <td>•</td> <td style=3D"font-size: 12px; font-family: arial; padding: 7px 5p= x 5px;" > <a href=3D"https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/win_tech_off_top= ic/conversations/newtopic;_ylc=3DX3oDMTJlZ2dyYjliBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAz= M3MDE1MjQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA2NjY5BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250cGMEc3RpbWUDMTQ3MjAyN= TU4MQ--" style=3D"text-decoration: none; color: #2D50FD">Start a New Topic<= /a> </td> <td>•</td> <td style=3D"font-size: 12px; font-family: arial; padding: 7px 5p= x 5px;color: #2D50FD;" > <a href=3D"https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/= win_tech_off_topic/conversations/topics/60547;_ylc=3DX3oDMTM2dTltdmRrBF9TAz= k3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM3MDE1MjQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA2NjY5BG1zZ0lkAzYwNTY0BHNlY= wNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTQ3MjAyNTU4MQR0cGNJZAM2MDU0Nw--" style=3D"text-= decoration: none; color: #2D50FD;">Messages in this topic</a> (13) </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 <div id=3D"megaphoneModule"> <hr style=3D"height:2px ; border-width:0; color:#E3E3E3; backgr= ound-color:#E3E3E3;"> <div> <div class=3D"stream" style=3D"margin-bottom:10px;"> <div style=3D"background-color:white;"> <div class=3D"sn-img" style=3D"display:inline;"><img name=3D"tn= _file" style=3D"padding:0px 10px;vertical-align:top;margin-top:5px;" src=3D= "https://s.yimg.com/ru/static/images/yg/img/megaphone/1464031581_phpFA8bON"= height=3D"82" width=3D"82"></div> <div class=3D"mod-txt" style=3D"display:inline-block;"> <a rel=3D"nofollow" name=3D"sub_url" target=3D"_blank" href= =3D"https://yho.com/1wwmgg" style=3D"color:#0000FF;display:block;margin-lef= t:5px;text-decoration:none;"><span style=3D"font-size:15px;">Have you tried= the highest rated email app?</span></a> <div style=3D"max-width:530px;padding:2px 5px;">With 4.5 st= ars in iTunes, the Yahoo Mail app is the highest rated email app on the mar= ket. 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