Re: "OTS3"

On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 13:16:22 +0100, ilmcuts <[email protected]> wrote:

> fractal.design schrieb:
>> On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 09:37:55 +1300, ilmcuts <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey,
>>>
>>> Where can I read up on the specs?
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>> ilmcuts
>>>
>>  Specs for THC4k's OTS3 are here:
>> http://www.ls-themes.org/index.php?cat=article&show=ots3
>
> This page was linked in the original mail too. I'm interested in the  
> OTSv3 changes and would like to comment on them, hence my question. Is  
> that page really all there is to it? I find that hard to believe. Why  
> call it a "Theme Standard" then if there isn't any standard  
> specification? All the page does is lists things like...
>
> * Update the whole Distribution where possible
> * Further seperate boring "data" from user settings
>
> ...which still leaves you pretty much in the dark about OTSv3. Given  
> that, it's not surprising you've had "next to no feedback" - I wouldn't  
> even know how to create an OTSv3 compliant theme.
>
> Some things need clarification too, like "older versions required a  
> Python runtime enviroment" - was that actually part of the standard at  
> some point? Or an implementation detail of your installer?
>
> What I am looking for right now is...
>
> * a general philosophy behind the bigger changes, if any (you might have  
> that covered)
> * a changelog(!)
> * the precise OTSv3 specs, especially if the changes are extensive
>
> Is that available anywhere? Only then you'll get a discussion like "oh  
> this and that isn't worth moving to the 'personal' dir but it would be  
> nice if..." or "oh this and that restricts themes too much", etc.
>
> All the best,
> ilmcuts
>
> PS. Replace "standard" with "standard proposal" as you see fit
>
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You keep asking for specs. If i had them i wouldn't ask for input. The  
point of this whole discussion i've been trying to have for a year now is  
to **find specs for ots3**.

The general idea is just this: Everything should be easy to upgrade, so we  
can update the distribution later, but flexible. So the idea is to  
seperate everything in 3 layers

1. User settings ( basically a difference file for a user from the  
defaults )
2. Default settings ( default user's settings to fall back to, but  
updateable )
3. distro settings ( Stuff like language files, lua stuff, whatever you  
want )

There is no changelog because it was written from scratch. The personal  
files are pretty much copied over from omar's. There might be changes but  
i dont remember, it was written more than a year ago.

As for themes, there are few requirements. I dont know if ots2 even had  
any at all, i think everything was just a convention.
But here are the hard requirements for ots3:

1. We need a way to find out if a theme is ots3 without actually loading  
it yet. Therefore, add a $themedir$info.rc with at least
OTSMajorVersion                          3
OTSMinorVersion                          0
2. I like to use xpopups actionfolders to get rid of that whole stupid  
themelist/refresh themelist stuff. Therefore a requirement is "use xpopup2"

That's it. Stuff like themeauthor or the .ini or whatever are conventions  
for the utilities, i guess we can just use the same as in ots2. I dont  
really know all of them, and they are pointless if the utilities don't  
support then, so that is pretty much in the hands of Andymon ...

So, while we are at it we can jam in as much usefull stuff into the distro  
as possible.
Fractal had that idea about global schemes, so i put it in. I like to do  
funky stuff with Lua, so i added a ton of usefull lua modules. Maybe there  
is more we could add?

If you want to talk about "setting x should go in file y", that's fine  
(but kinda boring). Just install it and read the rc files. But i actually  
wasn't in the cosmetics phase, i just like to hear about everyone's  
"specs" so we have as much features to play with later as possible. Use  
your fantasy ...

mfG,

thc4k


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