Re: Discussing issues

On Mon, 14 Apr 2003, Havoc Pennington wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 14, 2003 at 06:48:05PM -0400, Mark Vojkovich wrote: 
> >    Lets cut the crap here.  If people were just complaining about
> > process problems, then those things can be solved.  Keith is
> > calling for "community governace".  From my point of view that
> > looks like he, and moreso, Jim, are advocating removing direction
> > of XFree86 out of the hands of the people who have contributed the
> > most to it and into the hands of the people who rely the most on it.
> > I think this is unprecedented in the open source world, and from
> > my point of view (as a significant contributor) I find it 
> > immoral.  I can hardly understand why Keith and Jim, developers
> > themselves, would be advocating such a thing unless they were
> > certain that they would be at the head of this new governance.
> 
> But all the examples put forward (Apache, Kernel, GNOME, KDE, Debian,
> BSD, Perl, Python) are run by their contributors, not by the people
> who rely on it.  As you say, moving direction to those who rely
> instead of those who contribute is unprecedented. It isn't even
> feasible; nobody is going to do work just because someone else says
> they should.
> 
> I understand "community governance" to mean "community of
> contributors," not "community of random users."
> 
> Are we all reading the same mailing list? ;-)

   Those are things some people have been advocating.
This is not what Keith, and more profoundly, Jim, have been
advocating.  They have been advocating rule by the "community",
which they have defined as being much broader than the significant
developers. 


			Mark.