Re: Discussing issues

On Wed, Apr 16, 2003 at 02:46:31PM -0400, Leon Shiman wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Apr 2003 14:22:42 -0400 G A Economou wrote:
> >Subject: Re: [forum] Discussing issues
> >
> >On Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:11:38 -0400, Havoc Pennington <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, Apr 16, 2003 at 12:46:57PM -0400, David Wexelblat wrote:
> >>> If Keith had just resigned from the Core Team, gone off and done some 
> >>> stuff,
> >>> told some people about it, etc, the free market would have taken care of
> >>> itself. I believe this is the point David, Alan, Mark, a couple of 
> >>> others,
> >>> have tried to make.
> >>>
> >>> This whole governance thing is a smokescreen, IMHO.
> >>
> >> So I'd personally like to move past who did what and who is the jerk,
> >> and simply ask how we are going to ship an X server in the next year
> >> or so and then regularly after that, which both contains new
> >> innovations/APIs/features and has good drivers and
> >> stability/release-process. What is our X implementation going forward,
> >> and how do we make it good. How do we coordinate all the interests
> >> here in a way that creates critical mass and a powerful development
> >> engine.
> >>
> >> The reason Keith matters in all this is that there is this long list
> >> of code next to his name. In practice, if he's gone then so is this
> >> long list of important contributions.
> >>
> >> Now I'm sure someone is going to follow up and say well that's Keith's
> >> fault, but here is the thing: I don't care whose fault it is, I just
> >> don't want to be screwed by having to choose between the drivers and
> >> the features.
> >>
> >> Can't someone in the room be the bigger man so to speak, stand up and
> >> fix the problem.
> >>
> >> And then as a side note, why don't we address the X.org relationship
> >> while we're at it, and just get X cleaned up and fixed as a whole.
> >
> >And you Havoc have this power to speak for X.org.  To make things happen
> >there?  I mean, you guys can talk all day and make divisions all you want,
> >but unless someone on the other side can bring it home, this whole 
> >discussion
> >is meaningless.
> 
> Speaking for myself, also an active member of X.Org, let me assure you that 
> I am paying very close attention to this debate. I want to know how X.Org 
> can be effective going forward.

Leon,

Did you read my original post at the very start of the forum list creation
that was entitled "XFree86 5.0 TODO" ?

This is some things that the core team talked about things we'd like to
do for the next major release of XFree86. By no means is it a fixed list,
additions, or removals can be done, so I'd like to encourage X.org to
participate in the next major release and speak about what X.org has
cooking too.

Alan.