Re: License furor

Someone respond to this man!  He's making some good discussion here.

I don't understand what the problem is with the new license either.  In 
comparing it to the modified BSD license, which supposedly is GPL 
compatible, the XFree86 1.1 License looks almost exactly the same.  Why 
is it specifically that the XFree86 1.1 License is GPL incompatible, 
whereas the BSD license is not?  Did the XFree86 project consult with a 
lawyer of the FSF before posting the claim that the new license is GPL 
incompatible?

I agree that condition 3 might be a bit redundant, but I don't see how 
that affects the GPL compatibility.

Here is somehting hypocritical from the X.org release notes:

"Due to the new XFree86 1.1 license introduced in XFree86 4.4 (final),
later additions to XFree86 may not be incorporated into our codebase."

However, later in the release notes, you find this:

"This product includes software developed by The XFree86 Project, Inc
(http://www.xfree86.org/) and its contributors."

Holy shite, they almost met the terms of the license! but probably 
intentionally changed the acknowledgement statement to look less 
hypocritical to passive readers.  Catch-22, they look more hypocritical 
to people who know what is going on.

Please, discussion, ensue.

Peace,
William

Kurt Fitzner wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I'm new to this list, and I hope you'll forgive me if this topic has 
> been covered ad nauseum, but I'm having a hard time finding lucid 
> discussion of the license issue.  The signal-to-noise ratio off of 
> search engines is pretty low right now.
> 
> It seems, from what I can find, that the major kerfuffle is over 
> condition 3 of the license requiring that end-user documentation have an 
> attribution.  Honestly, I really don't have to much issue with the new 
> license personally, but it seems to me that you accomplish exactly the 
> same end by dropping condition 3 altogether, and simply putting the same 
> statement ("This product includes software developed by the XFree86 
> Project, Inc and its contributors") directly into the top of the license 
>   agreement.  Condition 2 of the license, then, would then act as 
> condition 3 as well.
> 
> Since the wanted attribution is now right in the copyright notice, and 
> condition 2 requires the copyright notice and license ("this list of 
> conditions") be retained, it would have exactly the same effect.  This 
> way, the statement would then have to appear wherever the software was 
> distributed, which would strengthen the attribution, but it would be no 
> different from the GPL which requires that copies of its license be 
> distributed with GPL works too.
> 
> I have run Linux since the primary "distribution" was SLS.  That was in 
> the days of XFree86 1.3 or so, I think.  I have never, ever, not known 
> that my X-Windows was Xfree86.  I think there are few in the 
> Linux/BSD/GNU world that don't know.  I would hate for an issue like 
> this to cause a fork - which is what it looks like a lot of people are 
> talking about right now.  We're never going to go back to the "good ole 
> days" when people, as a rule, downloaded and installed XF86 versions 
> themselves.  Some people will.  Most will use distributions.  I would 
> sure like to see this issue settled without causing a mass migration to 
> X.org, or to a fork in XFree.
> 
> 	Kurt Fitzner
> 
> 
> 
> 
> p.s. Here is how I see the new license...
> 
> 
> Version 1.2 Sample...
> 
> This product includes software developed by the XFree86 Project, Inc and 
> its contributors.  Copyright (C) yyyy-yyyy The XFree86 Project, Inc. All 
> rights reserved.
> 
>      Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person 
> obtaining a copy of this software and associated documentation files 
> (the "Software"), to deal in the Software without restriction, including 
> without limitation the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, 
> distribute, sublicence, and/or sell copies of the Software, and to 
> permit persons to whom the Software is furnished to do so, subject to 
> the following conditions:
> 
>         1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above 
> copyright notice, this list of conditions, and the following disclaimer.
>         2. Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above 
> copyright notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer 
> in the documentation and/or other materials provided with the 
> distribution, and in the same place and form as other copyright, license 
> and disclaimer information.
>         3. <deleted>
>         4. Except as contained in this notice, the name of The XFree86 
> Project, Inc shall not be used in advertising or otherwise to promote 
> the sale, use or other dealings in this Software without prior written 
> authorization from The XFree86 Project, Inc.
> 
>      THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED ``AS IS'' AND ANY EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED 
> WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF 
> MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE ARE DISCLAIMED. IN 
> NO EVENT SHALL THE XFREE86 PROJECT, INC OR ITS CONTRIBUTORS BE LIABLE 
> FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR 
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