Re: A Call For Open Governance Of X Development

On Sun, Mar 23, 2003 at 10:38:50AM +0000, José Fonseca wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 23, 2003 at 09:22:32AM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Sun, Mar 23, 2003 at 12:47:25AM +0000, José Fonseca wrote:
> > > On Sat, Mar 22, 2003 at 05:35:10PM -0500, Mark Vojkovich wrote:
> > > >    I think Daniel's example would be better if Americans were
> > > > demanding the right to chose the Prime Minister of France.
> > > > While the Americans have a "vested interest" in who the
> > > > French prime minister is, they shouldn't have a say in it.
> > > > I think this is the difference, as David Wexelblat put it,
> > > > between a democracy and a republic.  Not every body gets
> > > > to vote.  This isn't a free-for-all.  The prime minister 
> > > > of France isn't elected for the good of the world community.
> > > > He is elected by eligible French citizens for the good of France.
> > > 
> > > The problem is that Americans who want to immigrate to France _really_
> > > have difficulty in establishing there. Of course that when somebody
> > 
> > Please stop spreading FUD, will you, 
> 
> There was no such intention, Sven. I was just extending that
> analogy and I appologize for not making that point clearer.

Well, it was not clear at first sight thought.

> > i know many americans who live in france, and have no problems with
> > it.  I don't really care much about where this analogy is leading,
> > maybe we could stop it and go back on track. After alll, we are all
> > educated enough that we can speak about this without needing to fall
> > in easy (and maybe unaccurate) examples.
> 
> Fine by me, but I thought we were all educated enough to use analogies
> and abstract situations to make our point. I thought the people on this
> list would be less sensible if I didn't use "core" vs "developers
> wannabe" vs "vested interests" such kind of labels, but it seems quite
> clear now that using names of countries for that is just as bad! :)

Well if you go that way, the politically correct thing to do is to use
imaginary countries. Especially in these troubled times of official
anti-french hate campaigns or so.

> PS: Before your post I already had explained it was an analogy and
> continued my point on a seperated thread - "Scaling, and control vs.
> flexibility".

Yes, but it arrived only later in my mailbox.

Friendly,

Sven Luther