Re: RE: communication

On Sunday 23 March 2003 15:27, Willy wrote:
|  > I think it would be good if XFree86 Core Developers subscribe to
|  > <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> and
|  > <[email protected]> (where inter-operability among
|  > different Desktops
|  > is discussed).
|  > Besides, we should post message to those lists as well with
|  > invitation to join
|  > <[email protected]> and discuss XFree86 future.
|
|  Can't disagree, but it seems a lot of work (or discussions, technical
|  questions, etc.) already waiting for us. Joinig developers from
|  "end user" (mean X users) lists will add more themes to discuss and

kde-core-devel is ML for *KDE Core Developers*.
For peopel who decide on KDE architecture, new features to be released in next 
version, etc.
There is an on-going cooperation between GNOME and KDE teams, items to discuss 
are usually posted to kde-core-devel.
I would be surprised to hear that XFree86 Core Devel are not willing to 
subscribed to kde-core-devel (and asking other people to subscribe to 
<[email protected]>)

|  we'll spend all time to classify/join/split tasks needed to be done.
|  But if main conceptual things of X redesign/reengeneering will be done,
|  many questions will go away, and rest will go into right place.
|  I'm not right ?
|
|  > Communication doesn't work when it's monologue. We should
|  > have dialogue and
|  > take into consideration not only XFree86 Project requirements, but
|  > requirements of GNOME, KDE, Rox, Nautilus, etc. teams as well.
|
|  In general, lot of things needed by "desktops" already known. Isn't ?
|  And, once more, we need redesinged X, development process,
|  etc. to start _seriously_ enhance features.

No, a lot of things needed by "desktops" are *not known*.
For example, it seems that Linux community has very low interest in SVG 
technology.
Incorporating Xr/Xc/SVG into X as a *core* library would simplify a lot of 
things, reduce code bloat, and make systems more responsive.
But this would be certanly requere rewrite of many traditional (legacy) X 
apps.  For example, TWM (and all other Window Managers) come to mind here.
Instead of hacking "better gradient algorithm" for yet-another-WM, it would be 
much better to get finally gradient support into Xr/Xc/XSVG, and hack KWin & 
MetaCity to use those layers.  This, of course, requires GTK+ and QT 
modification, but benefit we would get after all worth efforts.

In the mean time, it canbe certably interesting to take some minimalist WM 
(like AEWM++, or BlackBox) and hack that WM to support Xr/Xc.

|
|  > I understand that reading 2-3 mailing lists (in addition to
|  > <[email protected]>) would take more time, but not ethat
|  > subscribing &
|  > reading XFree86 lists (in particular, Devel list) also takes time.
|  > So, projects should make step to each other in order to
|  > improve communication.
|
|  May be we'll start to write TODOs ?

Good idea :-)

|
|  > Vadim Plessky
|  > SVG Icons * BlueSphere Icons 0.3.0 released
|  > http://svgicons.sourceforge.net
|
|  /aTan

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Best Regards,

Vadim Plessky
SVG Icons * BlueSphere Icons 0.3.0 released
http://svgicons.sourceforge.net