Re: Ever get a bruised knee bone from doing a long hike?

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On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 3:42 PM, JD Schaefer <[email protected]> wrote:

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> I use something called ChiWalking (started by Danny Dreyer [?] in the Bay
> Area - there are Youtube videos) in which prime instructions include
> keeping the core straight, chin up, stomach down, butt up and never put the
> heel down before the balls of the feet.  There's plenty more and I
> considered the DVD a most worthy investment.  It doesn't all change at
> once, it took me months but eventually it becomes a part of muscle memory.
>  If I want to go faster, I don't move my feet out beyond my body or move my
> legs faster, I just lean forward more and let my body do what it has to in
> order to avoid falling.  It all becomes natural over time.
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> Hope this helps
> JD
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> On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Roleigh Martin <[email protected]>wrote:
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>> Thanks, JD.  Please elaborate on "avoiding whenever possible putting my
>> feet in front of my mass".
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>> I have been doing Knee Exercises on Cybex machines at the YMCA for 10
>> months under a trainer's guidance.
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>> On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 3:23 PM, JD Schaefer <[email protected]> wrote:
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>>> Roleigh
>>> Hope the recovery is quicker than you think.  I have knee problems but
>>> after incorporating frequent ham-string stretches, never walking
>>> pigeon-toed and avoiding whenever possible putting my feet in front of my
>>> mass, the problem diminished significantly.
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>>> Hike on!
>>> JD
>>> Raleigh (North Carolina that is)
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>>> On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Roleigh Martin <[email protected]>wrote:
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>>>> I did fine on my 2012 3rd full-thru JMT hike for the first 16 days of
>>>> hiking but on the 17th and 26th day of hiking the ordinary schedule is to
>>>> do about 4-5 miles uphill then 10-11 miles downhill (with the downhill
>>>> being about 3800 and 6000 feet of descent (respectively descending from
>>>> Muir Pass and Mt Whitney (the tallest mountain in the 48 contiguous
>>>> states)).  Each of these two days, my left knee became inflamed and I ended
>>>> up favoring the right knee to the point it became sore too.  After the Muir
>>>> Pass descent, the knee quickly recovered in about 5-6 days (I was hiking
>>>> with a limp though), but after Whitney (which was the final exit day of the
>>>> full JMT trail), my knees were so sore, that 12 days later (today), I'm
>>>> still sore (not as much when not using the knee) and slowly handle stairs
>>>> and walk a little slowly.
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>>>> I should have taken two days apiece to do each long descent and I&#39;d
>>>> have been in much better shape now (perhaps not have the problem at all).
>>>> I did not have this problem prior to the torn knee meniscus issue (which
>>>> I've reported on earlier<http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/forums/thread_display.html?forum_thread_id=54921>and which happened July 2, 2011), so I know that the prolotherapy sessions
>>>> have not healed my knee 100% fully.  I need to continue the treatments and
>>>> will. I hope I did not worsen my knees because of those two days
>>>> (particularly the last day).  I feel like I am only about 2% better each
>>>> day so I know it will be probably 1-2 months before I know the full
>>>> impact.  I was told that prolotherapy treatment for older people can be up
>>>> to 6-9 sessions.  I have had 3 stem cell prolotherapy treatments and 3
>>>> standard prolotherapy treatments.  I am going to continue my treatments but
>>>> have switched clinics to one locally in Avon, CT.  A Dr. Paul at
>>>> http://jockdoctors.com -- I think he is as good as the provider who
>>>> did the stem cell treatment from Chicago.
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>>>> I feel like daily I am getting about 2-3% better so I think in 1-2
>>>> months, I'll be back to normal.  I wondered what had happened to me and
>>>> after some Google Research feel I suffered a non-surface visible knee bone
>>>> bruise.  I found some interesting links on this:
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>>>> http://www.wisegeek.com/what-are-the-symptoms-of-a-bone-bruise.htm
>>>> "Sometimes the bruise is visible on the skin when other soft tissues
>>>> are bruised, but the only definitive way to determine if swelling is the
>>>> result of a bone bruise is with an X-ray."
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>>>> http://www.livestrong.com/article/24790-bruised-bone/
>>>> http://www.livestrong.com/article/84542-treat-deep-bone-bruise-knee/
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>>>> http://www.livestrong.com/article/423506-physical-therapy-for-a-bruised-knee-bone/
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>>>> http://tinyurl.com/9gqtw4l <http://www.healio.com/.>
>>>> "Magnetic resonance imaging of 1546 patients revealed bone bruises in
>>>> 19% of patients without an associated meniscal or ligamentous injury. For
>>>> those patients presenting with at least one meniscoligamentous injury, the
>>>> frequency of bruising was 60% at 0 to 4 weeks, 42% at 4 to 10 weeks, and
>>>> 31% at 10 to 26 weeks postinjury."
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>>>> http://www.ajronline.org/content/189/3/556.full
>>>> "RESULTS. In 80 patients, 157 bone bruises were found. The estimated
>>>> median healing time was 42.1 weeks. Healing was prolonged in patients
>>>> having a higher number of bone bruises and in the presence of
>>>> osteoarthritis. Resolution of individual bone bruises was prolonged in the
>>>> presence of osteoarthritis and greater age. Reticular lesions were less
>>>> likely to be present after 6 months than other bone bruise types."
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>>>> http://www.livestrong.com/article/538956-how-to-recover-from-a-knee-bone-bruise-after-running/
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>>>> I'm going to be contacting Dr. Tortland shortly.
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>>>> I'll update this posting after seeing him.
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>>>> I am wondering if others have had a similar problem.  I plan on doing a
>>>> JMT in 2013 again (my 6th but 4th planned full thru-hike of the JMT) but am
>>>> currently planning on doing the distance I did in one day apiece for the
>>>> Muir Pass and Trail Crest Pass descents into two days apiece so that I do
>>>> not have such long continuous downhill descents in one day.
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>>>> Thanks in advance!
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