Re: Re: Ever get a bruised knee bone from doing a long hike?

Thanks JD, for you and any others thinking of doing the JMT, the
JohnMuirTrail YahooGroup <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/johnmuirtrail/>(I'm
one of the 4 moderators there, currently lead moderator), we have over 1500
members focused on this trail and our file and links library contains more
information on the JMT than nearly all other web sites combined.  We have
people over there who've done the trail over 20 times.  I hope to get to
that level in another 15 years.

I think the JMT has the best blend of aerobic, anaerobic, remote wilderness
experience, high peaks/passes, great manicured trail, blend of great people
you'll meet, and Muir Trail Ranch (staying there at the midpoint for two
nights), what a wonderful,  fantastic experience I never tire of.

It's amazing what advice you can pick up from other hikers.  I met one on
the trail who told me how to hike without using a bum knee --  he said keep
the knee slightly bent, and walk using only the glutes, quads, and foot --
that enabled me to give that knee a break for the 6-7 days it needed after
that first inflammation incident on day 18.  By the last day, I was not
hurting in that knee at all (at least through the ascent of Whitney), then
came the long disastrous 11 mile descent.

Roleigh


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On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 9:45 AM, JD Schaefer <[email protected]> wrote:

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> Roleigh
> Glad to be of some small assistance.
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> BPL was the best $100 I can think of having spent in the backpack world.
>  I see we're in the same club.  The JMT still beckons.  And always will . .
> . despite my being of a certain age.
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> I'll look forward to hearing about the joint progress I'm sure you'll make.
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> Happy trails
> JD
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> On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 10:10 PM, Roleigh Martin <[email protected]>wrote:
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>> A followup.  Thanks to the feedback at BackpackingLight-2okppZw0E1VfXIjVkAQlsf8+0UxHXcjY@public.gmane.org Chi Walking.  I also got advice at BackPackingLight.com to walk downhill
>> like a Sherpa.
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>> http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/process#forumtop
>> for more about both.
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>> I've ordered the 3 CD audiobook and DVD about Chi Walking.
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>> On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Roleigh Martin <[email protected]>wrote:
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>>> I did fine on my 2012 3rd full-thru JMT hike for the first 16 days of
>>> hiking but on the 17th and 26th day of hiking the ordinary schedule is to
>>> do about 4-5 miles uphill then 10-11 miles downhill (with the downhill
>>> being about 3800 and 6000 feet of descent (respectively descending from
>>> Muir Pass and Mt Whitney (the tallest mountain in the 48 contiguous
>>> states)).  Each of these two days, my left knee became inflamed and I ended
>>> up favoring the right knee to the point it became sore too.  After the Muir
>>> Pass descent, the knee quickly recovered in about 5-6 days (I was hiking
>>> with a limp though), but after Whitney (which was the final exit day of the
>>> full JMT trail), my knees were so sore, that 12 days later (today), I'm
>>> still sore (not as much when not using the knee) and slowly handle stairs
>>> and walk a little slowly.
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>>> I should have taken two days apiece to do each long descent and I&#39;d
>>> have been in much better shape now (perhaps not have the problem at all).
>>> I did not have this problem prior to the torn knee meniscus issue (which
>>> I've reported on earlier<http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/forums/thread_display.html?forum_thread_id=54921>and which happened July 2, 2011), so I know that the prolotherapy sessions
>>> have not healed my knee 100% fully.  I need to continue the treatments and
>>> will. I hope I did not worsen my knees because of those two days
>>> (particularly the last day).  I feel like I am only about 2% better each
>>> day so I know it will be probably 1-2 months before I know the full
>>> impact.  I was told that prolotherapy treatment for older people can be up
>>> to 6-9 sessions.  I have had 3 stem cell prolotherapy treatments and 3
>>> standard prolotherapy treatments.  I am going to continue my treatments but
>>> have switched clinics to one locally in Avon, CT.  A Dr. Paul at
>>> http://jockdoctors.com -- I think he is as good as the provider who did
>>> the stem cell treatment from Chicago.
>>>
>>> I feel like daily I am getting about 2-3% better so I think in 1-2
>>> months, I'll be back to normal.  I wondered what had happened to me and
>>> after some Google Research feel I suffered a non-surface visible knee bone
>>> bruise.  I found some interesting links on this:
>>>
>>> http://www.wisegeek.com/what-are-the-symptoms-of-a-bone-bruise.htm
>>> "Sometimes the bruise is visible on the skin when other soft tissues are
>>> bruised, but the only definitive way to determine if swelling is the result
>>> of a bone bruise is with an X-ray."
>>>
>>> http://www.livestrong.com/article/24790-bruised-bone/
>>> http://www.livestrong.com/article/84542-treat-deep-bone-bruise-knee/
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>>> http://www.livestrong.com/article/423506-physical-therapy-for-a-bruised-knee-bone/
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/9gqtw4l <http://www.healio.com/.>
>>> "Magnetic resonance imaging of 1546 patients revealed bone bruises in
>>> 19% of patients without an associated meniscal or ligamentous injury. For
>>> those patients presenting with at least one meniscoligamentous injury, the
>>> frequency of bruising was 60% at 0 to 4 weeks, 42% at 4 to 10 weeks, and
>>> 31% at 10 to 26 weeks postinjury."
>>>
>>> http://www.ajronline.org/content/189/3/556.full
>>> "RESULTS. In 80 patients, 157 bone bruises were found. The estimated
>>> median healing time was 42.1 weeks. Healing was prolonged in patients
>>> having a higher number of bone bruises and in the presence of
>>> osteoarthritis. Resolution of individual bone bruises was prolonged in the
>>> presence of osteoarthritis and greater age. Reticular lesions were less
>>> likely to be present after 6 months than other bone bruise types."
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.livestrong.com/article/538956-how-to-recover-from-a-knee-bone-bruise-after-running/
>>>
>>> I'm going to be contacting Dr. Tortland shortly.
>>>
>>> I'll update this posting after seeing him.
>>>
>>> I am wondering if others have had a similar problem.  I plan on doing a
>>> JMT in 2013 again (my 6th but 4th planned full thru-hike of the JMT) but am
>>> currently planning on doing the distance I did in one day apiece for the
>>> Muir Pass and Trail Crest Pass descents into two days apiece so that I do
>>> not have such long continuous downhill descents in one day.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance!
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