Re: Re: bug free cowboy camping

While permethrin is used definately used daily in medical practice it is also used with caution. Specifically I would never go beyond two consecutive topical treatments with permethrin, and would go to oral ivermectin for treatment of scabies. Now I mostly do thru hiking at relative high elevation (i.e. not a real tick problem) I strongly prefer barrier insect control (screen and bug bivy) to insect repellents. Again alpine hiking so even on long hikes I can generally predict mosquito issues and add or subtract gear. Not a right or wrong, but a personal preference.

For those who prefer tents, I guess this is your call. My daughter hates sleeping out, while I find nothing better than to get up in the morning and take off eating a cold meal on the go. I find this time my best for mileage and appreciate not having to take down a tent.

Bruce






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 From: Thomas Murphy <tmmurphymd-/[email protected]>
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Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 5:29 PM
Subject: RE: [BackpackingLight] Re: bug free cowboy camping
 


  
 Permethrin is an effective scabacidal and pediculucidal agent - scabies and body and head lice treatment. Used daily in medical practice. I suggest permethrin spray on or soak all hiking clothes in a 5 % solution. Spray on ground cloth. Can be used. Compare your hiking with and without treatment to evaluate benefit..
Thomas Murphy, M.D.

--- On Wed, 4/10/13, Jerry Goller <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Jerry Goller <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: [BackpackingLight] Re: bug free cowboy camping
To: [email protected]
Date: Wednesday, April 10, 2013, 8:03 AM


  I assume the clothes have been allowed to dry completely before wearing them. Since permethrin has no effect on mammals, what happens if the “excess” isn’t washed off? 
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>From:[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jim Marco
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>Hi Coosa,
>Be careful. You should wash any excess permethrin off any cloths that are in contact with your skin. It does absorb, slowly, like anything else, through the skin. Ground cloths are iffy. If you use tyvec, I am not sure. It may not stay on some forms of plastics, like tyvec. It WILL stick to nylon. But, not treated silnylon. It will wash off quickly. Three or four times getting wet.
>My thoughts only . . .
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>From:[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Coosa
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>I plan to use my Tyvek ground cloth to lay my clothing on when I spray with Permethrin.  
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>Went for a 4 hour hike in a local Battlefield Park yesterday "pre-Permethrin" & found a tick on my leg afterwards.
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>TODAY I am spraying everything & I have a spray can I'm planning to put in a Mail Drop to a town where I plan a Zero. Hope it doesn't rain that day! 
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>On Apr 10, 2013, at 6:35 AM, Mike Tamada <[email protected]> wrote:
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>>>One way to avoid the creepy crawlers while cowboy camping would be too
>>>Use a Tyvek ground sheet that sticks out one foot beyond your sleeping pad and soak it in permathrin. 
>>>That will keep centipedes and ants at bay and will even keep most mosquitoes from coming near.
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>>Fascinating idea, I recently got a bottle of permethrin and was going to use it to treat a shirt and pants; I hadn't ever thought of treating the groundsheet.  Is there a way to tell if the treatment has worn off, or do you automatically re-treat say once a year?
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