RE: Re: bug free cowboy camping

Coosa,
                I have not tried this but reason dictates that it should be possible to wet the cloths (when you get a chance), respray them, knowing that at least the outside layers have been done, and, put them into some ziplocks for a couple hours before letting them dry. Then rinsing and laundering them. As before, the extra will tend to bleed onto the skin or into the environment.
                My thoughts only . . .
                                jdm

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Subject: Re: [BackpackingLight] Re: bug free cowboy camping




Great observations.

My clothing is sprayed & packed & I'm less than a week from leaving & visiting friends before I drive to Maryland to start my "1/2-a-thru-hike"

If I have time & a place to retreat my clothes ... I'll consider it.

It was difficult to do what I did, because I live in an 11x12 room & have only a yard to do anything thats needs space ... And there's a stocked pond in back so dumping used permethrin would not be an option.

If I have time to spray again, I will.

I'll try to do better next year.
Coosa


Hiking the AT in Memory of my Dad 5/4/13 to ??  http://chasingthetrail.blogspot.com
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On Apr 13, 2013, at 10:53 AM, John Ladd <johnla! [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 7:30 AM, Jim Marco <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
As far as Sawyer stuff goes. I have heard pros and cons. Personnaly, I think it leaves fabric too dry for a true treatment process to occur. It drys too quickly to effectively attach to fabrics fully and takes much more time and saturation than usually achieved with a spray can. I think of this rather like an egg dye, the longer you leave it in the dye, the stronger/deeper the dye attaches, to a point. Outside layers, then, the inside layers of fabric as the permithrin is bonded/used up on a rather microscopic level.

Why not use the soak-in version of Sawyers (aka "military style"). You dilute the product 2:1 or 3:1 and let the clothing soak in the mixture as long as you like (at least 2 hours).

http://www.sawyerdirect.net/item.cfm?prodid=SP652

Unfortunately, the soak-in  version is harder to find than the spray. REI for example stocks only the spray, I believe.

It is sold online here:

http://www.shop.biteandstings.com/product.sc?productId=31

But it has the identical ingredients as the spray, so you can always buy the spray version but follow the instructions for the soak-in. Roll the clothes into a tight bundle and tie with string. Put it in a plastic bag (supplied with the soak-in product; find your own if using the spray-on). Mix 6 oz. of the product with 12 to 18 oz. of water. Pour into the bag and squeeze the contents so that the fluid fully soaks into the clothing. Wait at least 2 hours. Then hang the clothes to dry.

More detailed soak-in instructions at this link

https://www.hammockforums.net/gallery/files/3/0/1/7/sawyer_permethrin_label_original.jpg

Since the military uses the stuff at 80 times the concentration of the civilian version, you could consider buying a lot of the civilian version and using it at full strength rather than diluted. But that would be quite expensive. Like  $35 for a single clothing set. Might last longer than the diluted method however (6 weeks).

John Curran Ladd
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