Re: Re: breakaway montenegro tripoints are looking like the winners

Those are all good points.

However, you gave odds on a race to Turtle Bay.  That is the only reason 
that I discussed the rebalkanization of the Balkans in such terms.  I 
have never regarded the UN very highly, and I certainly don't consider 
it the arbiter of national sovereignty.  If a broadly recognized new 
nation choose not to join the UN, or if an established nation got miffed 
and quit it, neither would be less a sovereign nation nor less capable 
of tripoints.  (By so stating, I don't mean imply that you would 
disagree.)

Diglyphs and UN seats might be convenient tools for tripointers, but we 
must be prepared to improvise otherwise when the situation demands.

Lowell G. McManus
Leesville, Louisiana, USA


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "aletheia kallos" <aletheiak-/[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: breakaway montenegro tripoints are 
looking like the winners


> thanx
> all good points
> which further inform & hedge my handicapping
> assessment that practically anything could still
> happen on the way to turtle bay
>
> & of course it is the new tripoints & their promotion
> to the world class
> that we are most interested in here
> rather than simply the birth or rebirth of these 2 new
> countries & their newly international border
>
> & yes of course
> what i have been calling the new breakaway montenegro
> tripoints for want of a better name are in fact just
> as much the new breakaway serbia tripoints
> even tho it is technically & sentimentally montenegro
> who has divorced serbia rather than vice versa
>
> more accurate would be just to think of them as
> t h e
> 2 new tricountry points
>
> part of the difficulty here btw is that we dont yet
> have & cant even yet imagine the iso digraphs for
> these 2 new countries
> let alone the resulting tripoint hexaglyphs
> so the terminology is still very crude compared to our
> usual coding
>
>
> & to try to answer your question
>
> when the czechoslovakian seat for example split into
> the separate czech & slovak seats
> which is the best & most exact analogy & precedent i
> can think of
> each was admitted into the general assembly as a new
> entity on the same day
> perhaps even simultaneously in photo finish mode for
> all i know
> & their old seat was simply abandoned
> much like their old iso digraph
> which neither of them actually inherited either
>
> but not every rump seat & iso digraph have been
> reinvented at turtle bay when breakaway seats &
> digraphs have been created
>
> & i think we have only been using united nations
> membership as the defining characteristic of the world
> class because that is the global consensus view of it
> while allowing for or perhaps rather ignoring the
> inconvenient exceptions of taiwan & vatican city
>
> if there were a better way to acknowledge the
> tripointing hierarchy
> & to rightly recognize the world class or top level of
> it
> i think we should find & use it
>
> --- "Lowell G. McManus" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Putin can decry "separatist territorial pretenses"
>> all he wishes (as
>> well he probably should from his point of view), but
>> the independence of
>> Montenegro is hardly a pretense.  Under the 2003
>> Constitutional Charter
>> of Serbia and Montenegro, either of the two
>> republics was entitled to
>> hold a referendum on separation after three years.
>> What Montenegro is
>> doing is strictly by-the-book.
>>
>> As for the race to Turtle Bay:  As the Montenegrins
>> divorce the
>> Serbians, each party becomes as single as the other.
>>  Will Serbia be
>> allowed to inherit the existing S&M seat while
>> Montenegro has to apply
>> anew, or will both Serbia and Montenegro need to be
>> admitted anew?
>> Please remember that it took the UN from 1992 to
>> 2000 to admit the rump
>> Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (renamed Serbia and
>> Montenegro in 2003)
>> in lieu of the former Socialist Federative Republic
>> of Yugoslavia after
>> Slovenia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Croatia, and Macedonia
>> had departed.
>>
>> Lowell G. McManus
>> Leesville, Louisiana, USA
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "aletheiak" <aletheiak-/[email protected]>
>> To: <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 9:42 AM
>> Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: breakaway montenegro
>> tripoints are looking
>> like the winners
>>
>>
>> > but the race to turtle bay cant actually be won
>> until the general
>> > assembly reconvenes in
>> > the fall
>> >
>> > & tho no other contenders have emerged from the
>> pack or seem at all
>> > likely to do so at
>> > this point
>> > yet there are complications ahead
>> >
>> > for example
>> >
>>
> http://www.focus-fen.net/index.php?catid=137&newsid=89607&ch=0
>> >
>> >
>> > still i would give even money now
>> > on either the montenegro prospects or all the
>> others combined
>> > to win
>> >
>> > as opposed to placing or showing
>> >
>> > or finishing at all
>> >
>> > --- In [email protected], aletheia
>> kallos <aletheiak@...>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> margin of victory if any is razor thin tho
>> >> in race to turtle bay
>> >> & official result of photo finish wont be known
>> til
>> >> morning
>> >>
>>
> http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyID=2006-05
>> >
>>
> -21T220948Z_01_L21282045_RTRUKOC_0_US-SERBIAMONTENEGRO-VOTE.xml
>> >>
>> >> scant details of new world class tripoints are
>> here
>> >> toward the bottom
>> >>
>>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/19471
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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