RE: Tripoint Tries

 <http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/CZPLSK/DSCN2105.jpg>
http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/CZPLSK/DSCN2105.jpg is
downstream of the tripoint. The markers are, from left to right, CZ15, SK 15
(forming a pair eitherside of the same stream pictured near the tripoint)
SK17 and CZ16 (no matching CZ17 or SK16 in evidence - leading me to think
that the border might veer away from the stream at this point, possibly to
avoid the speculated pene-enclave situation I proposed earlier by keeping
the road entirely inside CZ). There were other pairs of CZ SK markers (i.e.
with the same number on each) further upstream on either side of the brook,
evidently delineating the water course as the border.
 
I recall way back in 1981 visiting the East/West Germany border at a point
where it followed a stream hardly bigger than this one. No pictures though
(or I would have been in big trouble there back then !! )


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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of aletheia kallos
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 10:58 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoint Tries



notably no support in your map for the stream junction
hypothesis
nor in several slightly better zoomable maps i have
found either
nor btw can i recall seeing such apparently minuscule
trickles as these carrying any such major borders
anywhere else

& no mention of boundary delineation texts found yet
either

but it occurs to me that the several blocky red &
white markers you & others have photographed thruout
the area could as easily be indirect monumentation of
stream borders as direct monumentation of nonstream
borders

that is
provided you or anyone can recall seeing matching
pairs of them flanking the streams from equivalent
positions
or have any clear take for that matter on exactly
which of the 2 types they actually are
if they are not indifferently some of both types
yikes
for i realize that too is possible

on another hand
it was extremely encouraging to find that the stick
merely stuck in the mud in the geocaching caption has
indeed become a sapling actually planted in your later
writeup
& has even attracted a tryful touch
but i am puzzled as to why it shows up so
unmistakeably in both
http://freepages.
<http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/CZPLSK/DSCN2095.jpg>
misc.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/CZPLSK/DSCN2095.jpg
&
http://freepages.
<http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/CZPLSK/DSCN2096.jpg>
misc.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/CZPLSK/DSCN2096.jpg
& yet at the same time is nowhere in sight in
http://freepages.
<http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/CZPLSK/DSCN2094.jpg>
misc.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/CZPLSK/DSCN2094.jpg
unless i am mistaken

in fact these pix would appear to be of 2 entirely
different locations
with no obvious areas of overlap 
unless you can help tie them together somehow

in any case i sure hope the next visitor is paying
attention & will at least take trial measurements or
pace off estimates from this sapling to each of the 3
obelisks
notwithstanding all their obvious & offputting
differences in elevation

for it would be good to at least have such estimated
distances 
just to check if we are even in the right ballpark yet
anyway

also a better look at & or botanical identification of
the sapling wouldnt hurt

--- Hugh Wallis <hugh@our-own- <mailto:hugh%40our-own-home.com> home.com>
wrote:

> OK - fullsize pics of the visit now uploaded at
> http://tinyurl. <http://tinyurl.com/z2f9d> com/z2f9d
> 
> 
> _____ 
> 
> From: BoundaryPoint@ <mailto:BoundaryPoint%40yahoogroups.com>
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> [mailto:BoundaryPoint@ <mailto:BoundaryPoint%40yahoogroups.com>
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> On Behalf Of aletheia kallos
> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 6:25 PM
> To: BoundaryPoint@ <mailto:BoundaryPoint%40yahoogroups.com>
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> Subject: RE: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoint Tries
> 
> 
> 
> no not conclusive 
> but thats promising
> especially if we can find legal basis for all 3
> stream
> boundaries
> in text or maps etc
> so i will be looking out for this
> thanx nice
> 
> --- Hugh Wallis <hugh@our-own-
> <mailto:hugh%40our-own-home.com> home.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > Yes - I took that photo (and all the others on
> that
> > page).
> > 
> > Pure speculation - but "on the ground" it is
> clearly
> > evident that this is at
> > the confluence of two very small streams, one of
> > which (on the CZPL border)
> > was dry on the day of my visit and the other
> (PLSK,
> > becoming CZSK as it
> > flows downhill) merely a dribble. Not conclusive
> > evidence of the legal
> > location of the tripoint admittedly.
> > 
> > 
> > _____ 
> > 
> > From: BoundaryPoint@
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> yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:BoundaryPoint@
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> > On Behalf Of aletheia kallos
> > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 6:05 PM
> > To: BoundaryPoint@
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> > Subject: RE: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoint Tries
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > interesting
> > 
> > is this your doing
> > http://www.geocachi
> >
> <http://www.geocachi
>
<http://www.geocachi
<http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=e79c7d27-1384-4627-aa01-f654f8
> ng.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=e79c7d27-1384-4627-aa01-f654f8
> >
>
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> > e53d2f&IID=06a469e9-c0c6-40a6-8b6e-f3b7652a35bd>
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> > c0c6-40a6-8b6e-f3b7652a35bd
> > & if so 
> > could you say how you arrived at your conclusion
> > that
> > this is the exact tripoint position
> > 
> > we were aware of a traditional position in the
> gorge
> > of the brook bed
> > tho not aware until now of a confluence type of
> > position
> > 
> > & also aware of a 1990 linden implantation at the
> > supposedly exact tripoint
> > 
> > & finally the geometrically determinate version 
> > or revision of the tripoint
> > by the indirect demarcation of the 3 equidistance
> > obelisks in 1995
> > 
> > all of which versions are mentioned here in more
> > detail
> > http://groups.
> >
> <http://groups.
>
<http://groups. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/6091>
yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/6091>
> yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/6091>
> > yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/6091
> > 
> > but to our knowledge no one has ever determined
> the
> > median point by exact or even approximate
> > measurements
> > from the obelisks
> > nor mentioned this what may now be a 16 year old
> > sapling on the spot
> > if indeed it still survives in such difficult
> > looking
> > conditions
> > 
> > but can you say any more about any of this
> > 
> > --- Hugh Wallis <hugh@our-own-
> > <mailto:hugh%40our-own-home.com> home.com>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > For some of my pics of CZPLSK see
> > > http://tinyurl. <http://tinyurl.
> <http://tinyurl. <http://tinyurl.com/n3zrz> com/n3zrz> com/n3zrz>
> > com/n3zrz - I took a whole
> > > lot more but haven't had time to properly make
> > them
> > > available yet.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > _____ 
> > > 
> > > From: BoundaryPoint@
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> > > [mailto:BoundaryPoint@
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> > > On Behalf Of Roger
> > > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 3:16 PM
> > > To: BoundaryPoint@
> > <mailto:BoundaryPoint%40yahoogroups.com>
> > yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Tripoint Tries
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I was there in 1961, and went on a raft trip
> down
> > > the Dunajec river from 
> > > Czorsztyn to Szczawnica (both Polish villages)
> > where
> > > for part of the way 
> > > the right bank is Slovak. Roger. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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