Re: Île Verte

Hi again,

As I suggested about the channel in my last message I just sent to 
BP today evening, here we are :

Utrecht Treaty:
"Le Roi de la Grande-Bretagne, en cédant les Iles de Saint-Pierre et 
de Miquelon à la France, les regarde comme cédées à fin de servir 
réellement d'abri aux pêcheurs François, et dans la confiance 
entière que ces possessions ne deviendront point un objet de 
jalousie entre les deux nations ; et que la pêche entre les dites 
îles, et celle de Terre-Neuve, sera bornée à mi-canal."

= <The King of Great Britain, in ceding the Islands of St. Pierre 
and Miquelon to France, regards them as ceded for the purpose of 
serving as a real shelter to the French fishermen, and in full 
confidence that these possessions will not become an object of 
jealousy between the two nations, and that the fishery between the 
said islands, and that of Newfoundland shall be limited to the 
middle of the channel.>

Islands of St. Pierre and Miquelon should be understood as St.Pierre 
island, Miquelon island, and the other dependencies (Vainqueurs 
island, Chiens island, Colombier island etc.)

The fishery was limited by what is to be considered as a sea 
boundary line, to the middle of the channel. So our boundary line 
was there. And according to a 1907 chart, the channel crossed Green 
Island.
This chart was used to establish the turning points of the 1972 
agreement. The phrase 'French channel' refers to this channel, 
between SPM and NFLD.

As the 1907 French chart was used by both Canadians and French 
diplomats for the 1972 agreement, we can consider it worthed 
something official. And through this, Green Island divided between 
France and NFLD was also not unofficial. And we had our dry border.

As this Utrecht treaty boundary line was actually a fishery limit, 
i.e. a sea boundary line, we can consider the 1972 changed it.
And that IMHO the current Sea boundary line also determines the 
border, so defitaly as written in previous messages all the rocks 
are Canadians (the 2 turning points making two wet/dry FRCA boundary 
shorepoints).

Unless Canadian Hydrographic Service charts 4490 and 405 shows 
another situation, this 'analysis' in my opinion closes this topic 
regarding a FRCA land boundary in the Green Island / Ile Verte area.

Xavier

BTW I flew over ending ['turning'] point 9 of this 1972 FRCA sea 
boundary agreement two months.

--- In [email protected], "acroorca2002 <orc@...>" 
<orc@...> wrote:
>
> thanx martin
> it makes sense
> 
> that long eez tube is after all barely enclaved in the canadian eez
> isnt is
> 
> 
> also doug 
> as you are actively seeking the right map from the canadian govt
> i hope you have noted in the info below
> that you probably cant do better than the mentioned
> canadian chart number 4490
> 
> this with the precisely plotted points
> is probably the most definitive available answer to your question
> at mean sea level anyway
> 
> vis tecum 







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