Re: My visit to Campione d'Italia

again i am flying pdf text blind here so i am grateful
for all your help

but this best available arcalu map 
http://www.globalgeografia.com/italia/img/campione_mappaconfini1.jpg
& this accompanying probably official table of
distances
http://www.globalgeografia.com/italia/campione_italia_tab1.htm
indicate that marker 1 is indeed in the area of the
tripoint
at least in a manner of speaking
being no more than about 15 meters removed from it 
& also that the cliff which marker 1 stands at the
bottom of is the right bank or side wall of the border
brook ravine
& also that the flowing water you see & mention
directly beside this rock must be the water of this
arlu & calu & arcalu border brook

in fact my understanding is that both rock number 0r &
rock number 1 are entirely within switzerland
being on the right bank of the international border
brook
& that there is not really a literally italian side of
marker 1
but only a side that at best faces toward italy &
toward marker 2 
thru the midstream tripoint

it is notable also that marker 1 on the right bank is
described as being only 222cm from a boulder on the
left bank that is inscribed with an old cross
which i gather lies much more nearly straight across
the brook from marker 1 than does the chit alignment 
which angles sharply upstream toward the tripoint

& i can well understand how marker 2 is quite remote
from the tripoint
being about 50 meters away & much higher too according
to this map

but your message has at least convinced me that tho
the first pdf pic may show the correct brook 
still it couldnt possibly show the correct location of
the tripoint

--- "Lowell G. McManus" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Mike,
> 
> The de Bruin photos of markers 1 and 2 do not show
> the area of the 
> tripoint.
> 
> Rock 1 is at the base of a cliff.  The photographer
> had to lean out and 
> get photos from directly above it.  It's an ordinary
> upright boundary 
> rock, but the tight photos show flowing water
> washing its moss-covered 
> base on the Italian side.  It has a dimple and two
> lines in its top.
> 
> Marker 2 is supposedly incised into the top of a
> relatively inaccessible 
> rocky cliff.  The photographer gives us various
> telephoto shots of the 
> red-posted sign that stands next to it.
> 
> Lowell G. McManus
> Leesville, Louisiana, USA
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "aletheia kallos" <aletheiak-/[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 6:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] My visit to Campione
> d'Italia
> 
> 
> > thanx very much mats
> > all wonderfully clarifying
> >
> > tho for some reason i cant access the de bruin pdf
> > caption texts
> > nevertheless what i can see there plus all the
> various
> > other data taken together do seem to pretty well
> > confirm that
> > b o t h
> > the arogno bissone campione tripoint aka arbica
> > a n d
> > the arogno campione castagnola become lugano
> tripoint
> > aka arcalu
> > are situated at the unmarked intersections of
> brook
> > bottoms with straight line segments defined by
> pairs
> > of chit rocks
> > the former by rocks number 13b & 14 hyperextended
> 7
> > meters south of no 14 to named position v1
> > as you have observed
> > & the latter by & between rocks number 1 & 2
> > roughly 15 meters south of no 1 or a quarter of
> the
> > way from it to no 2
> > thanx in this case to tullio aebischers data
> >
> > we do not yet appear to have seen a positively
> > identifiable pic of either tripoint position tho
> >
> > it is possible that the very first de bruin pdf
> pic
> > shows the arcalu brook somewhere in the right
> general
> > vicinity for the tripoint to be in frame
> > but still doubtful because no accompanying chit
> rock
> > is visible there
> >
> > it is far more likely that vito la collas 2
> wonderful
> > views include arbica even if it is hiding directly
> > underneath the foot bridge or in the creek bed
> some
> > very short distance below the foot bridge
> >
> > & let me say despite your modest disavowal of the
> post
> > 14 alignment
> > several of these pix leave little doubt that this
> post
> > at least
> > does stand centered directly upon or very close to
> the
> > chit alignment
> > even if none of the other posts do likewise
> > so i am seeing & counting it as being in the same
> line
> > as 13b & 14
> > for purposes of visually placing the tripoint
> position
> > in the photos
> > i think correctly
> > even if not yet to my complete satisfaction
> > since i cant measure off the 7 meters from here
> >
> > but do you or craig or dieter or any of our other
> eye
> > witnesses have an opinion of exactly what point on
> > these pix the 7 meters measured off in the correct
> > direction would bring us to 
> 
> 


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