Re: yikes kztmuz is reportedly undelineated & definitely elusive

There's a different NASA satellite view of the tripoint on Windows Live 
Local at http://tinyurl.com/lw7uy .  This one shows depression along the 
Chink Kaplankyr without water.  The boundaries are better shown and 
perhaps more precise than on Google Earth.  If you keep zooming in, the 
satellite image changes to one from Harris Corp./Earthstar Geographics 
that shows the Chink Kaplankyr in a wetter condition.

Lowell G. McManus
Leesville, Louisiana, USA


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "aletheia kallos" <aletheiak-/[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is reportedly undelineated & 
definitely elusive


> not sure about the etymology nor the degree of
> generality
> but chink is evidently at least the local probably
> kazak or russian name for any edge of this crumbly
> ustyurt plateau of which this kaplankyr spur is a part
> & the word is sometimes translated as
> abrupt seashore
> or abrupt border
>
> here is a picture of a nearby but probably different
> chink
> with a resident skink i think
> http://www.atyrau-city.kz/KCS/Book1/012.jpg
> or perhaps it is the same chink but a different spur
> named mangystau in this case
> but in any case a few hundred km to the northwest of
> kztmuz
> & in fact at the opposite shoulder of the same plateau
>
> http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/mapcenter/map.aspx?TextLatitude=39.45&TextLongitude=-98.907&TextAltitude=0&TextSelectedEntity=39070&SearchEnc=false&MapStyle=Comprehensive&MapSize=Medium&MapStyleSelectedIndex=0&searchTextMap=mangystau&MapStylesList=Comprehensive&ZoomOnMapClickCheck=on
>
> what astonished or perhaps rather amused me so much
> about this claim of a nondelineated tripoint was
> first
> tripoints arent supposed to be delineated because they
> arent linear
> & second
> this particular one appears to lie at the convergence
> of 3 perfectly geodetic border line segments
> all of them seemingly very clearly delimited since
> soviet times & now reportedly fully delineated if not
> also demarcated
>
> but now that you mention it
> crumbly vertical ground can present a special problem
> for monumentation
> & perhaps it is only this that our possibly
> misinformed or careless informant had in mind
> if anything
>
> --- "Lowell G. McManus" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Exactly.  The NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC ATLAS OF THE WORLD
>> shows this and the other similar oblong area to the
>> southeast as a basin below sea level called "Chink
>> Kaplankyr."  I suspect that "Chink" might be cognate
>> with the English "chink" (crack) or "sink" (low
>> area) via some common Proto-Indo-European etymon.
>>
>> Lowell G. McManus
>> Leesville, Louisiana, USA
>>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>>   From: Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase
>>   To: [email protected]
>>   Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 7:56 AM
>>   Subject: SV: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is
>> reportedly undelineated & definitely elusive
>>
>>
>>   What do you make of this
>>
> http://maps.google.com/?ll=41.307729,55.994568&spn=0.089619,0.159645&t=k
>> ? saltlake perhaps?
>>
>>   That could explain why it's hard to delimit the
>> place and perhaps even mark it.
>>
>>   Jesper
>>   --
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>> borders and tripoints
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>   Fra: [email protected]
>> [mailto:[email protected]] PÃ¥ vegne af
>> aletheia kallos
>>   Sendt: 31. august 2006 15:23
>>   Til: [email protected]
>>   Emne: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is reportedly
>> undelineated & definitely elusive
>>
>>
>>
>>
> http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2006/08/295991D6-AB19-4C80-93B4-A5859F110120.html
>>   but what could this mean
>>   for kzuz is reportedly fully delimited & likely
>> even
>>   marked by now per
>>
>>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/11250
>>   while on tmuz all border questions were reportedly
>>   settled years ago
>>
>>
> http://www.newscentralasia.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=638
>>   & demarcation is supposedly well under way there
>> too
>>
>>
> http://www.newscentralasia.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1059
>>
>>   reference map
>>   http://www.dntours.com/map.htm
>>   from
>>   http://www.dntours.com/dashoguz/kaplankyr.htm
>>
>>   kztmuz is in the chink kaplankyr
>>   which is the southernmost spur of the ustyurt
>> plateau
>>
>>
> http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/mapcenter/map.aspx?TextLatitude=38.3893924187585&TextLongitude=39.4382328526111&TextAltitude=8&TextSelectedEntity=9241499&SearchEnc=false&MapStyle=Comprehensive&MapSize=Medium&MapStyleSelectedIndex=0&searchTextMap=ustyurt&MapStylesList=Comprehensive&ZoomOnMapClickCheck=on&ResultsListbox=38.3893924187585%3B39.4382328526111%3B8%3B9241499%3BHazar+%5BKavak%5D%2C+Elaz??%2C+Turkey%3BMedium%3BComprehensive
>>
>>   the best if not the only known tour of the area
>>   http://stantours.com/tm_syl_ee_kap.html
>>   gets to within 100 km of the target
>>   at chagyl & kyzyl kaya or gyzylgaya on day 3
>>   & again at lake sarakamysh & kaplankyr national
>> park
>>   on day 7
>>
>>
> http://enrin.grida.no/biodiv/biodiv/national/turkmen/htmfiles/mapres.htm
>
>
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