Re: yikes kztmuz is reportedly undelineated & definitely elusive

Both of the Live Local links in your reply work for me.  I'm not clear 
on what you're getting when you go to them.  Apparently, though, one 
must be logged in to access Windows Live Local.  It's free, but you must 
jump through the hoop.  All you need to log in is an MSN Hotmail, MSN 
Messenger, or Microsoft Passport account (all of which are free).  Any 
of those can be used as your Windows Live ID to log in.  I have mine set 
to automatically remember me and log me in whenever I go to a site that 
need it, so I didn't remember that it was required.

Getting an ID is worth it, because Live Local has several advantages 
over Google Earth (which also has a few of its own).  Also, Live Local 
uses USGS aerial photos in the USA for the close-ups, but they're newer 
than those at TerraServer, and you can dynamically pan and zoom them 
with your mouse (just like you can with the satellite photos on Live 
Local and Google Earth).  That alone is worth the price of admission!

Lowell G. McManus
Leesville, Louisiana, USA


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "aletheia kallos" <aletheiak-/[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is reportedly undelineated & 
definitely elusive


> sounds interesting but
> is this tinyurl working normally
>
> it quickly redirects my browser to
> http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=41.619802~54.78123&style=h&lvl=7&scene=1004144
> but this page then does nothing
> just like its main page also does
> http://local.live.com/
> so maybe that whole site or function is down
> whatever it may be or mean
>
> the tinyurl site itself seems to be working fine
>
> --- "Lowell G. McManus" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> There's a different NASA satellite view of the
>> tripoint on Windows Live
>> Local at http://tinyurl.com/lw7uy .  This one shows
>> depression along the
>> Chink Kaplankyr without water.  The boundaries are
>> better shown and
>> perhaps more precise than on Google Earth.  If you
>> keep zooming in, the
>> satellite image changes to one from Harris
>> Corp./Earthstar Geographics
>> that shows the Chink Kaplankyr in a wetter
>> condition.
>>
>> Lowell G. McManus
>> Leesville, Louisiana, USA
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "aletheia kallos" <aletheiak-/[email protected]>
>> To: <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 12:16 PM
>> Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is
>> reportedly undelineated &
>> definitely elusive
>>
>>
>> > not sure about the etymology nor the degree of
>> > generality
>> > but chink is evidently at least the local probably
>> > kazak or russian name for any edge of this crumbly
>> > ustyurt plateau of which this kaplankyr spur is a
>> part
>> > & the word is sometimes translated as
>> > abrupt seashore
>> > or abrupt border
>> >
>> > here is a picture of a nearby but probably
>> different
>> > chink
>> > with a resident skink i think
>> > http://www.atyrau-city.kz/KCS/Book1/012.jpg
>> > or perhaps it is the same chink but a different
>> spur
>> > named mangystau in this case
>> > but in any case a few hundred km to the northwest
>> of
>> > kztmuz
>> > & in fact at the opposite shoulder of the same
>> plateau
>> >
>> >
>>
> http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/mapcenter/map.aspx?TextLatitude=39.45&TextLongitude=-98.907&TextAltitude=0&TextSelectedEntity=39070&SearchEnc=false&MapStyle=Comprehensive&MapSize=Medium&MapStyleSelectedIndex=0&searchTextMap=mangystau&MapStylesList=Comprehensive&ZoomOnMapClickCheck=on
>> >
>> > what astonished or perhaps rather amused me so
>> much
>> > about this claim of a nondelineated tripoint was
>> > first
>> > tripoints arent supposed to be delineated because
>> they
>> > arent linear
>> > & second
>> > this particular one appears to lie at the
>> convergence
>> > of 3 perfectly geodetic border line segments
>> > all of them seemingly very clearly delimited since
>> > soviet times & now reportedly fully delineated if
>> not
>> > also demarcated
>> >
>> > but now that you mention it
>> > crumbly vertical ground can present a special
>> problem
>> > for monumentation
>> > & perhaps it is only this that our possibly
>> > misinformed or careless informant had in mind
>> > if anything
>> >
>> > --- "Lowell G. McManus" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Exactly.  The NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC ATLAS OF THE
>> WORLD
>> >> shows this and the other similar oblong area to
>> the
>> >> southeast as a basin below sea level called
>> "Chink
>> >> Kaplankyr."  I suspect that "Chink" might be
>> cognate
>> >> with the English "chink" (crack) or "sink" (low
>> >> area) via some common Proto-Indo-European etymon.
>> >>
>> >> Lowell G. McManus
>> >> Leesville, Louisiana, USA
>> >>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >>   From: Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase
>> >>   To: [email protected]
>> >>   Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 7:56 AM
>> >>   Subject: SV: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is
>> >> reportedly undelineated & definitely elusive
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>   What do you make of this
>> >>
>> >
>>
> http://maps.google.com/?ll=41.307729,55.994568&spn=0.089619,0.159645&t=k
>> >> ? saltlake perhaps?
>> >>
>> >>   That could explain why it's hard to delimit the
>> >> place and perhaps even mark it.
>> >>
>> >>   Jesper
>> >>   --
>> >>   Borderbase - your online guide to international
>> >> borders and tripoints
>> >>   http://www.nicolette.dk/borderbase
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>   Fra: [email protected]
>> >> [mailto:[email protected]] PÃ¥ vegne
>> af
>> >> aletheia kallos
>> >>   Sendt: 31. august 2006 15:23
>> >>   Til: [email protected]
>> >>   Emne: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is
>> reportedly
>> >> undelineated & definitely elusive
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
> http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2006/08/295991D6-AB19-4C80-93B4-A5859F110120.html
>> >>   but what could this mean
>> >>   for kzuz is reportedly fully delimited & likely
>> >> even
>> >>   marked by now per
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/11250
>> >>   while on tmuz all border questions were
>> reportedly
>> >>   settled years ago
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
> http://www.newscentralasia.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=638
>> >>   & demarcation is supposedly well under way
>> there
>> >> too
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
> http://www.newscentralasia.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1059
>> >>
>> >>   reference map
>> >>   http://www.dntours.com/map.htm
>> >>   from
>> >>   http://www.dntours.com/dashoguz/kaplankyr.htm
>> >>
>> >>   kztmuz is in the chink kaplankyr
>> >>   which is the southernmost spur of the ustyurt
>> >> plateau
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
> http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/mapcenter/map.aspx?TextLatitude=38.3893924187585&TextLongitude=39.4382328526111&TextAltitude=8&TextSelectedEntity=9241499&SearchEnc=false&MapStyle=Comprehensive&MapSize=Medium&MapStyleSelectedIndex=0&searchTextMap=ustyurt&MapStylesList=Comprehensive&ZoomOnMapClickCheck=on&ResultsListbox=38.3893924187585%3B39.4382328526111%3B8%3B9241499%3BHazar+%5BKavak%5D%2C+Elaz??%2C+Turkey%3BMedium%3BComprehensive
>> >>
>> >>   the best if not the only known tour of the area
>> >>   http://stantours.com/tm_syl_ee_kap.html
>> >>   gets to within 100 km of the target
>> >>   at chagyl & kyzyl kaya or gyzylgaya on day 3
>> >>   & again at lake sarakamysh & kaplankyr national
>> >> park
>> >>   on day 7
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
> http://enrin.grida.no/biodiv/biodiv/national/turkmen/htmfiles/mapres.htm
>> >
>> >
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