Re: Re: yikes kztmuz is reportedly undelineated & definitely elusive

At http://tinyurl.com/el8e2 are similar deltaic formations on a mudflat 
inlet of the Caspian Sea on the middle part of the Turkmen coast.

Lowell G. McManus
Leesville, Louisiana, USA


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "aletheia kallos" <aletheiak-/[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: yikes kztmuz is reportedly undelineated 
& definitely elusive


> well ok but actually kzuz is now purported to be fully
> demarcated
> per footnote 6 here
> http://www.asiaquarterly.com/content/view/28
> as was expected in this post from 2003
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/11250
>
> what was claimed or purported recently
> provoking all this now excessive yiking by me
> is that kztmuz is undelineated
> but this is most likely misinformed as well as
> meaningless
>
>
> also in morning light
> your perception of a delta where i see only a somewhat
> less eroded remnant projection of the plateau spur
> i suppose is a creation of your distinctively
> louisianian perspective
> & not necessarily even a possibility under these
> particular conditions
>
> there are signs of streaming elsewhere that could have
> caused the erosions to either side of this deltoid
> formation but just not right there
> as i read this enlargement of the best available
> satpic
> http://cache.gmane.org//gmane/culture/discuss/boundary-point/9165-002.bin
>
> of course until we know the actual tripoint location
> for sure
> all these speculations are purely academic as well as
> humorous
>
> --- "Lowell G. McManus" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Despite whatever degree of spuriousness in the
>> precision, it's the best
>> that we've got for now.
>>
>> Yes, I agree that we are both probably close enough
>> to call it Class C
>> if we were on-site, which is pretty good considering
>> that its
>> purportedly unmarked anyway.
>>
>> Lowell G. McManus
>> Leesville, Louisiana, USA
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "aletheiak" <aletheiak-/[email protected]>
>> To: <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 9:57 PM
>> Subject: [BoundaryPoint] Re: yikes kztmuz is
>> reportedly undelineated &
>> definitely elusive
>>
>>
>> ok nice
>> so if live local is any more reliable in its border
>> depictions than our
>> famously unreliable
>> google is
>> then your tripoint position guess would tend to be
>> that much more
>> reliable than mine
>>
>> or vice versa
>>
>> for in fact we dont know which if indeed either is
>> any better than the
>> other to begin with
>>
>> but i trust you realize that our 200 meter
>> difference is already but a
>> small fraction of the
>> thickness of the google border lines at their
>> tightest zoom level
>>
>> so my guess is we are in both cases just compounding
>> the spurious
>> precision that is
>> already built into these systems
>>
>> i do feel pretty sure we are both in the correct
>> square kilometer
>> or maybe even the right few hundred square meters
>> but not necessarily any better than that
>>
>> & as for the nature of the location
>> well that involves several further degrees of
>> speculation
>>
>> but i see the right map is in stock & could be had
>> for a mere 50 dollars
>> at omnimap
>>
>> --- In [email protected], "Lowell G.
>> McManus" <lgm@...>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Yes, we surely could use one of those old Soviet
>> maps.  I looked for
>> > one
>> > also, but struck out.
>> >
>> > My statement about "the location of the tripoint
>> according to all of
>> > these mapping services" meant that they all agree
>> on the shapes of the
>> > boundaries and place the tripoint in the same part
>> of the depression
>> > as
>> > best as can be told on the various scales.
>> >
>> > I placed the pushpin thus:  Live Local, like
>> Google Maps, dispenses
>> > with
>> > the boundary overlays as one zooms in closely.
>> However, Live Local
>> > allows one to move and precisely place a pushpin
>> using a crosshair
>> > cursor.  Once placed, it stays in place at any
>> zoom level.  I placed
>> > it
>> > as accurately as possible on the tripoint, then
>> zoomed in to see where
>> > it was within the enlarged view.  Several tries
>> produced substantially
>> > the same result where you saw the point of the
>> pushpin in my
>> > attachment.
>> >
>> > Lowell G. McManus
>> > Leesville, Louisiana, USA
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From: "aletheia kallos" <aletheiak@...>
>> > To: <[email protected]>
>> > Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 3:59 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] yikes kztmuz is
>> reportedly undelineated &
>> > definitely elusive
>> >
>> >
>> > > beautiful
>> > > thanx
>> > > great fun
>> > > & please look for a few inserts below
>> > >
>> > > --- "Lowell G. McManus" <lgm@...> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> I agree that there is quite an escarpment
>> there, and
>> > >> the name Chink
>> > >> Kaplankyr might well refer to it rather than
>> the
>> > >> depression at its foot
>> > >> in which the intermittent lake is located.
>> > >
>> > > if you will survey the usages of chink say in
>> this
>> > > local ustyurt sampling
>> > >
>>
> http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=chink+ustyurt&ie=UTF
>> -8&oe=UTF-8
>> > >
>> > > youll see a range of evident meanings covering
>> > > practically everything from the plateau itself &
>> down
>> > > the scarp to the depression at its base
>> > > e x c e p t
>> > > the bottom of the depression itself
>> > > so it seems to me at this point call it anything
>> but a
>> > > salt pan or salt flat
>> > >
>> > >> Your Encarta map linked below clearly shows the
>> > >> below-sea-level
>> > >> depressions, numerous intermittent
>> streamcourses
>> > >> flowing into them, and
>> > >> some water in the one near the tripoint.  It
>> also
>> > >> shows the tripoint as
>> > >> being below sea level.  (Check the Encarta
>> legend
>> > >> for the meaning of
>> > >> that darkest green.)
>> > >
>> > > there was or is no question about the elevation
>> in
>> > > relation to sea level
>> > > tho this is an interesting excursion
>> > > but only a question of what sort of terrain &
>> ground
>> > > the tripoint is in
>> > > that might cause a problem with the
>> monumentation
>> > >
>> > > i began with crumbly & steep based on the chink
>> photo
>> > > i flashed but i agree your guessed position
>> pinpointed
>> > > in your second attachment pic on much lower
>> ground
>> > > than mine & some 200 meters to the east of it
>> might
>> > > tend to be flatter & darker if not danker or
>> damper
>> > > or even as you conclude headlong in ooze
>> > >
>> > > so it becomes a question first of why our
>> guesses are
>> > > these 200 or so horizontal meters apart
>> > >
>> > > or perhaps only a question of what you mean by
>> > > according to all of these various mapping
>> services
>> > >
>> > > & then of how you evaluated & or used them to
>> reach
>> > > your pushpin conclusion
>> > > not at all far from mine at the natural
>> arrowhead
>> > > point
>> > > & yet so distinctly different in character from
>> it
>> > >
>> > >> Now, if you'll go to the Google Maps image
>> linked in
>> > >> your message below
>> > >> and zoom out, you will see that the tripoint
>> > >> depression and its narrow
>> > >> southeastern neighbor have some water and some
>> salt
>>
> === message truncated ===
>
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