Re: Re: stretching the quest for a real stretchable latex tripoint to stretch

ok great
i have been lost along the mcmahon line all afternoon
trying to stretch out de facto notional btcnine for
prime time too

but thanxx for all these additional rude awakenings
hahaha
& to think i was imagining the bayou pierre lake
settlement could opt into the neutral ground 
just to continue avoiding authority
hahaha
just like me
hahahaha

but ok i get that now

the authorities such as they were
drew the notional line up the bayou pierre to keep
everyone off the west bank 
but then they had to stop or turn this line west at or
just below bayou pierre lake in order to permit this
particular west bank settlement to be an exception &
legally stay put 
& within american louisiana

so clearly i need to revise the eastern terminus of my
closing line to reflect this effectivity

& i do think the southernmost point of bayou pierre
lake just as good a stretch for the turnpoint now as i
formerly did its northernmost

however in the west i am not so amused
hahahaha

but now that youve confirmed the contemporary belief
in the multiple coincidence myth
youve freed me once again at the nw corner just as you
did at the ne corner 
from any perceived need to stretch the size of the
territory of the neutral ground 
in favor of the opportunity to stretch its bona fides

for clearly we who can thread the needle of perceived
truth thru the n32x94w intersection on the way to
sticking its point in the sabine river should do so
& that way we will at least be honoring all the data
equally even if not quite so simultaneously as was
promised & thought possible 
nor quite so expansively as i myself had first
envisioned

so happily it is back to the google earth drawing
board for me
& i can already foresee a pretty good lurch southward
for my next & probably final lalatxtx try
since we do finally seem to have surpassed its limits
of stretchability 

--- "Lowell G. McManus" <[email protected]> wrote:

> I found my notional tripoint south of the airport by
> using a one-foot 
> ruler and a map on which Bayou Pierre Lake and the
> 32° x 94° confluence 
> are eleven inches apart.  I then found the
> Sabine-Red drainage divide 
> along the ruler.  How near the notional tripoint
> lands to the airport, 
> though, depends on the precise termini of the
> northern geodesic of the 
> Neutral Ground [NG].  Let's see if we can refine
> those termini.  In 
> doing so, we must realize that the descriptions that
> we have are more in 
> the way of allocation than of delimitation.
> 
> Haggard's rendering of General Salcedo's description
> of the eastern 
> terminus reads:  "...along this bayou to the west
> bank of Bayou Pierre 
> Lake at Bayou Pierre settlement."  Since the BP
> settlement was an extant 
> community, and inhabitation of the NG was to be
> prohibited, the clear 
> intent is that the NG would extend up the bayou to
> the BP settlement but 
> would not include it.  Indeed, the BP settlers
> stayed put through the 
> era of the NG, and the joint US-Spanish military
> expedition designed to 
> rid the NG of illegal settlers did not molest them. 
> So, wherever we 
> eventually decide the BP settlement was, the
> terminus must be just 
> downstream of it.  I have some clues as to the
> settlement's location, 
> but those require additional digging before they are
> ready for prime 
> time.  Stay tuned.
> 
> Haggard's description of the geodesic and its
> western terminus, which he 
> attributes to Davenport, is thus:  "The northern
> boundary of the Neutral 
> Ground was a straight line running in a
> southwesterly [southwestward] 
> direction from the Bayou Pierre settlement to a
> point crossed by the 
> thirty-second parallel of north latitude and the
> intersection of the 
> ninety-fourth degree line of longitude and the
> Sabine River."  I knew 
> all along that the parallel, the meridian, and the
> river did not meet at 
> a single point.  That would be near impossible.  As
> your rude awakening 
> showed, these three lines intersect at three
> distinct points within a 
> two-mile radius.  Since the wording does not admit
> of perfect 
> reconciliation, we must do the best we can.  The
> most obvious choice is 
> to use the degree confluence point ( 
>
http://www.confluence.org/confluence.php?lat=32&lon=-94
> ) and then 
> stitch to the river by prolongation along the same
> bearing.  There might 
> be other solutions, such as using a point
> mathematically intermediate 
> between the three points, then a stitch to the
> nearest point on the 
> river.
> 
> Lowell G. McManus
> Leesville, Louisiana, USA
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "aletheia kallos" <aletheiak-/[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 1:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] Re: stretching the
> quest for a real 
> stretchable latex tripoint to stretch
> 
> 
> > thats comforting
> > & i would like to learn your method of getting
> there
> > too
> > even as i clownishly extemporized my own landing
> at
> > the airport runway crossing
> > for i could just as easily have picked anywhere
> else
> > within this best guessed square mile or so of
> target
> > area too
> >
> > but i have just realized there is an inconvenient
> fact
> > or 2 to dispose of first
> >
> > for it turns out there actually is no trijunction
> of
> > the 32nd parallel & 94th meridian with the sabine
> > river
> > oops
> > nor even with the entire toledo bend reservoir
> that so
> > enlarges that general target area for us today
> > oops again
> > & in fact there is nothing even remotely
> resembling
> > such a trijunction there
> >
> > for the cursor cross on this map marks the exact
> > n32x94w point
> >
>
http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=31.99994&lon=-93.99999&s=200&size=l&u=6&datum=nad83&layer=DRG
> >
> > & thus there is actually 2 or 3 miles of play here
> at
> > the west end of haggards arbitrary closing line
> > to perfectly match the 2 or 3 miles of play we
> have
> > already found in bayou pierre lake at the east end
> of
> > it
> >
> > so there isnt really a closing line possibility at
> all
> > yet but rather only a very crude 2 or 3 mile wide
> > closing strip from end to end
> >
> > but
> > if we can somehow manage to shrink the width of
> that
> > strip down to the thickness of an actual line
> > then i believe i have discovered a workable
> > methodology for nailing the tripoint
> > using the google earth measuring line tool in
> > combination with the mouse pointer altitude
> registry &
> > the contour feature etc
> >
> > i even went so far as to begin my measurement on
> > chicot island here
> >
>
http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=32.10587&lon=-93.55704&s=200&size=l&u=4&datum=nad27&layer=DRG
> > since it is the only named feature in the lake
> area on
> > google earth & it does rather nominate itself as
> the
> > grand central terminal of that entire neighborhood
> >
> > the first attachment shows my first try with the
> start
> > of this line
> >
> > for of course the rude awakening didnt occur to me
> > until i tried to end this line on the sabine at
> > n32x94w
> > hence no attachment to show the other end just yet
> >
> > but in the meantime a second inconvenient fact
> arose
> > which is that the only obvious site for a
> settlement
> > on bayou pierre lake is along the shore due west
> of
> > chicot island
> > where a cemetery & present settlement etc are
> still
> > indicated
> > & which thus might only be partly included in the
> > neutral ground by a closing line begun from chicot
> > island
> >
> > so clearly my closing line would be better to
> include
> > all of that shore
> >
> > so i thought again & selected instead of this
> island
> > the northernmost point of the lake for the
> beginning
> > point of my improved closing line
> > as shown by the cursor cross here
> >
>
http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=32.11972&lon=-93.55324&size=l&u=4&datum=nad27&layer=DRG25
> > as well as by the little red starting square in my
> > second attachment
> > with the idea in view of solving the messy
> conundrum
> > on the sabine river end of the closing line by
> > choosing the correspondingly northernmost feasible
> > point there too
> >
> > & i suppose i should ask you first if there isnt
> some
> 
=== message truncated ===




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