SV: SV: SV: SV: BEFRLU

Attachment from French GIS site 
 
and linking to LU http://www.gismosel.lu/moselims/map/LuxMap.asp?MapPan=true
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Doesn't add much though - just for the record.
 
Jesper
 
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Emne: Re: SV: SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] BEFRLU



well harry seems to have found at least part of
another marker
possibly the second of a pair of belu terminal mates
http://home. <http://home.planet.nl/~veenhh/borderland/europa/be-fr-lu.htm>
planet.nl/~veenhh/borderland/europa/be-fr-lu.htm

& your map seems to indicate this pair is called belu
marker number 1
http://f1.grp.
<http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/wK0fRdkFqBPjOxnfudOgvwGBsPhCZ-Riej-F60nlctXd2Y
0uHLWfmeXlMya9Xr0sHDbThD_3_OlaFZFobavCnwubDktRBeA/befrlu.jpg>
yahoofs.com/v1/wK0fRdkFqBPjOxnfudOgvwGBsPhCZ-Riej-F60nlctXd2Y0uHLWfmeXlMya9X
r0sHDbThD_3_OlaFZFobavCnwubDktRBeA/befrlu.jpg

& their exact positions could be quite telling
come to think of it
even if they are indirect rather than direct 
as i suppose 
since they might still have been precisely placed 
at either side of the exact end of belu
one in belgium & the other in luxembourg it seems
http://groups. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/3979>
yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/3979
& hence directly athwart the exact tripoint 
at least at the time of their installation in the 19th
century
& possibly still today

also i now realize i was slightly mistaken about not
having seen the wording in any of the treaties
since there is this
http://groups. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/3975>
yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/3975
& this too 
http://groups. <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/4015>
yahoo.com/group/BoundaryPoint/message/4015
which indicates a change in the frlu convergent 
& thus possibly in the tripoint position as well 
was in the works around the time of your visit
which thus may or may not have been subsequently
consummated

so perhaps the tripoint was then 
or is today 
not the exact confluence after all
yikes
& it may well be worth keeping this an open question
til we do have all the necessary & current data in
hand

--- Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase <jesper@nicolette.
<mailto:jesper%40nicolette.dk> dk>
wrote:

> No other markers were found.
> 
> But it was an awfull wet day, and we were tired
> after a week on the road.
> 
> It's a very accessable place in central Europe so I
> am surprised nobody else
> actually explored it also.
> 
> Jesper
> 
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> Emne: Re: SV: SV: [BoundaryPoint] BEFRLU
> 
> 
> 
> i agree 
> it looks like a belu marker to me also
> & i too place it in belgian territory 
> since it is in the crotch between the befr & belu
> streams
> 
> but what it is actually witnessing is the end of
> belu 
> naturally enough
> it seems to me
> & not the end of befr 
> which also happens to end there 
> it is true
> but probably has a different terminal marker nearby
> 
> so it doesnt strike me as strange at all
> 
> in fact i think you reported some other markers in
> the
> neighborhood
> 
> --- Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase <jesper@nicolette.
> <mailto:jesper%40nicolette.dk> dk>
> wrote:
> 
> > I think Harry argument was something in line with
> it
> > being the wrong marker
> > on the wrong territory.
> > 
> > If the confluence is the tp, the marker is in BE,
> so
> > if the marker is a FRLU
> > marker is is strange - it does appears to be a
> BELU
> > marker
> > (http://www.nicolett
>
<http://www.nicolett <http://www.nicolette.dk/borderbase/border.php?c1=12>
e.dk/borderbase/border.php?c1=12>
> e.dk/borderbase/border.php?c1=12
> >
> <http://www.nicolett
>
<http://www.nicolett
<http://www.nicolette.dk/borderbase/border.php?c1=12&c2=87>
e.dk/borderbase/border.php?c1=12&c2=87>
> e.dk/borderbase/border.php?c1=12&c2=87>
> > &c2=87) . I
> > think the FRLU are concrete blocks.
> > 
> > Jesper 
> > 
> > --
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> > borders and tripoints
> > http://www.nicolett
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e.dk/borderbase
> > 
> > 
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> > Emne: Re: SV: [BoundaryPoint] BEFRLU
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > great
> > i will of course stand by for any further
> > clarifications from europe
> > but looking on from this side of the pond
> > & so long as we still havent seen any of the 3
> > treaties 
> > your newly added & in fact best available map
> > enlarged
> > here
> > http://article.
> >
> <http://article.
>
<http://article.
<http://article.gmane.org/gmane.culture.discuss.boundary-point/9339>
gmane.org/gmane.culture.discuss.boundary-point/9339>
> gmane.org/gmane.culture.discuss.boundary-point/9339>
> >
> gmane.org/gmane.culture.discuss.boundary-point/9339
> > does show the tripoint precisely at the stream
> > confluence
> > 
> > & no matter if we can or cant yet pinpoint it on a
> > satpic really
> > 
> > nor that we cant yet identify the name of this
> tiny
> > tributary creek
> > 
> > for i do think we have at last nailed it on the
> > ground
> > 
> > --- Jesper Nielsen/Borderbase <jesper@nicolette.
> > <mailto:jesper%40nicolette.dk> dk>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > I agree, satpic too unclear.
> > > 
> > > On GCEBE 2001 we had much discussion of the
> actual
> > > tripoint, as Peter's map
> > > showed BEFR parallel with the stream. Parallel
> > with
> > > BEFR stream goes a
> > > fence, which could have been the true border.
> But
> > we
> > > all know maps are not
> > > made for freaks and some times borders are known
> > to
> > > be off the line to show
> > > other features.
> > > 
> > > Harry seemed to believe the marker was the
> actual
> > > tripoint. Not sure of the
> > > argument. Maybe he can explain again.
> > > 
> > > Jesper
> > > 
> > > --
> > > Borderbase - your online guide to international
> > > borders and tripoints
> > > http://www.nicolett
> > <http://www.nicolett
> <http://www.nicolett <http://www.nicolette.dk/borderbase> e.dk/borderbase>
> e.dk/borderbase>
> e.dk/borderbase
> > > 
> > > 
> > > _____ 
> > > 
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> > > Emne: Re: [BoundaryPoint] BEFRLU
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > bravo again
> > > this is a new state of play here if i am not
> > > mistaken
> > > http://lb.wikipedia
> > > <http://lb.wikipedia
> > <http://lb.wikipedia
> <http://lb.wikipedia <http://lb.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:3L>
.org/wiki/Image:3L>
> .org/wiki/Image:3L>
> > .org/wiki/Image:3L>
> > > .org/wiki/Image:3LännereckRodange01.jpg
> > > or at least it is for me
> > > 
> > > for if i am reading the above pic correctly
> > > then we are looking at a much more pronounced
> > stream
> > > confluence than i had previously supposed
> existed
> > > there
> > > 
> > > for it now seems to me that the river chiers
> > > carrying
> > > the belu convergent across the foreground is
> being
> 
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