Re: first known map of hnnisv tridominium & its trilines & tripoint

thanx lowell 
i dont think i could have done it without you
but the real debt of gratitude is owed to our slightly
strange individuals

have you seen them anywhere lately

we really must find them & restore them to their
proper place of honor
as far as text will go on this matter

anyone can indeed be interested in points along
boundaries
but our slightly strange individuals are indispensable
for what we are interested in here
& moreover it would be unfair & misleading & indeed
ineffective to pretend otherwise

so i ask you 
& everyone 
slightly strange or otherwise
to write the group leader to right the group leader

--- "Lowell G. McManus" <[email protected]> wrote:

> ¡Bravisisimo!  You've reached as a far as text will
> go on this matter. 
> Only a map would do better.
> 
> I agree completely with your analysis.
> 
> Lowell G. McManus
> Leesville, Louisiana, USA
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "aletheia kallos" <aletheiak-/[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 2:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [BoundaryPoint] first known map of
> hnnisv tridominium & its 
> trilines & tripoint
> 
> 
> > yikes but no
> > for here is the 1900 hnni text verbatim per the
> ibs
> >
>
http://www.law.fsu.edu/library/collection/LimitsinSeas/IBS036.pdf
> >
> > In the various applicable documents, the boundary
> has
> > been described as follows:
> > (1) From the point known by the name of Amatillo,
> in
> > the lower part of the river
> > Negro, the dividing line is a straight line run
> toward
> > the volcano of Cosiguina in an
> > astronomical direction S 86° 30' W, 36.8
> kilometers
> > [23 miles] to the middle point of
> > the bay of Fonseca, equidistant from the coasts of
> the
> > two Republics on this side;
> > and from that point follows the division of the
> waters
> > of the bay along a line also
> > equidistant from the said coasts until it reaches
> the
> > middle of the distance lying
> > between the northern part of Cosiguina (Monypenny)
> > Point and the southern part of
> > Tigre Island.
> >
> > & this dry & wet geodetic segment of hnni is
> easily
> > discernible at the tightest zoom level at encarta
> > where the volcano cosiguina & the rio negro are
> both
> > clearly labeled
> > & the amatillo point terminus can be inferred as
> > described
> > & the other terminus at the midpoint of the bay of
> > fonseca can be interpolated
> > as can the midpoint where hnni terminates between
> > monypenny or cosiguina point aka punta san jose &
> > tigre island
> > both of which are labeled on the other map
> >
>
http://www.laprensa.com.sv/nacion/Las%20aguas%20en%20condominio.pdf
> >
> > & the astonishing result is neither of the
> situations
> > we envisioned quite
> > but rather something actually in between them
> >
> > for the seaward terminal point of maritime hnni as
> > described proves to lie a bit more than 4nm from
> the
> > nearest salvadoran territory
> > namely on isla meanguera
> >
> > so it turns out that hn & ni actually did divvy up
> the
> > bay beyond their 3nm belts in 1900 yet not quite
> as
> > far as the salvadoran 3nm belt
> > & that the icj reaffirmed this in 1992
> > leaving a spot no more than about 3nm wide in any
> > direction as the inner tridominium triarea
> >
> > thus the trijunction triarea is scarcely bigger
> than
> > it would have been if it were only a tripoint
> > in a manner of speaking
> >
> > & i think that really does conclude our
> preliminary
> > tridominioscopy
> > with the outer or exclave triarea now proving to
> be
> > something on the order of 100 times larger than
> the
> > inner one
> >
> > & of course i would like to see or create a good
> map
> > of all this
> > but i think we already have a fair & true picture
> of
> > it in our minds eye
> >
> > thanx & bravos
> >
> > --- aletheia kallos <aletheiak-/[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> ok good
> >> so assuming if you would for now that the 1900
> >> agreement delimits hnni in the gulf only within
> the
> >> 3nm belt
> >> we would have as a result no hnnisv tripoint per
> se
> >> there in the gulf
> >> nor anywhere else
> >> but an inner hnnisv tridominial triarea instead
> >>
> >> so in effect
> >> at this only multi overlapping territorial
> >> convergency
> >> in the world
> >> a potential multi point becomes expanded or
> exploded
> >> instead into an actual multi area
> >>
> >> & its complementary multiarea
> >> aka the outer tridominium at the gulf closing
> line
> >> is topologically quite distinct from the inner
> one
> >> in
> >> being a triarea without a triconvergency
> >> for it is sandwiched between only 2 of the 3
> >> constituent sovereign territories rather than
> wedged
> >> in among all 3
> >>
> >> so what we would be or really are looking at here
> >> all together
> >> is a multipoint that has exploded on the spot
> into a
> >> multiarea
> >> plus
> >> a much larger discontiguous or exclavic multiarea
> >>
> >> & i would add that this relative size difference
> >> between the 2 areas is despite the fact that the
> >> sketch map suggests the inner one would be much
> >> larger
> >> than the outer one
> >>
> >> for in reality it would be quite the contrary
> >> as the sketch map is mistaken in showing the
> inner
> >> triarea widening to the east
> >> where it actually must shrink & narrow into a
> long
> >> tail
> >>
> >> just as mistaken as it is btw in suggesting the
> >> outer
> >> triarea ends at the gulf closing arrow
> >>
> >> or in suggesting that the 3nm limits continue as
> >> such
> >> outside the gulf
> >>
> >> for after all it is only a crude sketch
> >>
> >> & as you may be able to judge if you compare the
> >> maps
> >> again with everything we believe we know about
> the
> >> legal tridominium
> >>
> >
>
http://encarta.msn.com/map_701512830/Gulf_of_Fonseca.html
> >>
> >
>
http://www.laprensa.com.sv/nacion/Las%20aguas%20en%20condominio.pdf
> >> the outer triarea will comprise more than 100
> square
> >> nautical miles of combined territorial & internal
> >> seas
> >>
> >> while the inner one
> >> being perhaps equally as long or longer but
> nowhere
> >> near as wide
> >> will comprise only a small fraction of that area
> >>
> >> --- "Lowell G. McManus" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> > When I wrote of an inner sinus within the
> gulf's
> 
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