[permaculture] Re: Does permaculture suggest a design plan for human culture? (fwd)

This is a response to a question I asked on the permaculture
list
(http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/permaculture)

an earlier response pointed me to
http://www.holmgren.com.au/

I did take some time to look at the links. Very impressive.
It seems that a renaissance is in the SFBAY area, perhaps
due to out-of-work programmers, and those who managed to
make some money? (or just creative people preferring to live
there?)

This is exactly what Quinn calls for when he says "an age of
innovation in the social sphere comparable to the industrial
revolution"

http://www.planetwork.net/2003conf/textpages/presenters.html
http://www.favors.org/FF/index.php

are some other, related links to check out.

Colin
http://j9k.org

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 15:45:49 -0700
From: Katherine Steele <[email protected]>
Reply-To: permaculture <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: [permaculture] Re: Does permaculture suggest a design plan for
    human culture?

Hello Colin and Folks-

This is an intriguing an necessary question.   Thanks for asking it.

An amazing combination of technologists, activists, permaculturalists,
sustainability folks, new economists, think tank people, media artists
etc... gathered last weekend in San Francisco, Ca to begin the discussion.

Many ideas about the power of networking and collaborating online and face
to face for conscious evolution were discussed and presented.

Here's the conference page:
http://www.planetwork.net/2003conf/frames/index.html

They plan on continuing the conference on a yearly basis.

Below I list links to some of the projects I found out about and thought
could add to the conversation of designing human culture- beginning with
redesigning Western Culture.

Peace
~Kat
Urban Permaculture Guild
Oakland, CA

Complementary investment strategy:
 http://www.venturecollective.org/

Innovative ideas giving ideas:
 http://www.upspace.org/
 http://www.givingspace.org/

Complementary Currencies:
http://www.openmoney.org/
http://www.timedollar.org/

Donating to organizations you choose:
http://www.affero.net/rmhelp.html

Other beautiful organizations I heard about
 http://www.CommonSocietyMovement.org/
http://www.consciousevolution.net/

Cool technology:
http://www.manyone.net/homesite/
http://www.identitycommons.net/
http://www.greenmediatoolshed.org/
http://www.groundspring.org/index_gs.cfm

Politics:
http://www.smartmeme.com/
http://www.moveon.org
http://sacmobilization.org/

Possible futures:
http://www.gbn.org/SubjectDisplayServlet.srv?taxId=111
http://www.hardintibbs.com/

http://www.bfi.org/
http://www.bfi.org/pdf/Tibbs_Future.pdf

New Publishing Model
http://www.archive.org/

World News
http://www.oneworld.net/article/frontpage/10/3

New Broadcast Models
http://tv.oneworld.net/
http://www.gtvonline.com/

Other amazing organizations:
http://www.planetwork.net/2003conf/textpages/presenters.html





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Creating a "permanent agriculture" means the humans
cultivating need a culture and a history that helps them
last.

Does permaculture suggest a design plan for human culture?
---------------------------------------------------


These aren't the historical tomes you have in mind, but
they're in the direction you're looking:

The first 80 pages of Starhawk's _Truth or Dare_

Derrick Jensen's _Language older than words_ and _The
Culture of make believe_ (all of his work, really)
(those are almost historical tomes...)


Daniel Quinn's _Ishmael_ _My ishmael_ _Story of B_

You might also find Ken Wilber's books world-view
expanding- I don't have a particular one to recommend.


Also the anarchoprimitivist authors are fairly well-versed
in this kind of history:

here's some related links:

http://www.eco-action.org/dt/futureprim.html
http://sacredlands.org/enemyofthestate_zerzan.htm
http://noleaders.net/anok/reports/notprimitive/

if you subscribe to
http://eatthestate.org/
they have something called "Reclaim our history"
http://eatthestate.org/07-16/ReclaimHistory.htm

The issue of common cultural perceptions and whose history
we learn is a huge one, as you suggest.

Even though we're aware of the possibly more accurate views
of history it is easy to ignore them with our behavior,
because that is what so many around us are doing (speaking
for myself).

Actually it is not easy... Which is why I'm seeking
community with others who share my orientation and desire to
live in a permaculture way.

To return to suicide,
http://www.churchofeuthanasia.org/
has some links to hopi history and hopi prophecies that are
damning of the current state of affairs--but they are easy
to gloss over because it is not the view expressed by the
people around me and the daily paper.
http://www.mindspring.com/~what/hopiun1.html
http://www.recycles.org/hopi/guests/index.htm


Derrick Jensen's critique of the culture I am in is probably
the most complete and moving that I have read, but the list
really is endless...

This is an interesting topic.

Creating a "permanent agriculture" means the humans
cultivating need a culture and a history that helps them
last.

Does permaculture suggest a design plan for human culture?

Colin
http://j9k.org





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